Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ''It looks like we're safe, so we aren't going to spend a fucking penny, make that sound clever Alan, run along'' - Mike Ashley yesterday... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 "No bother Mike, it'll be my pleasure." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 09:43, LRD said: Fwiw I am open to the rare couple of quality loanees since our owner is a stingy cunt. Not more than that though or we find ourselves in a mackem situation where we depend heavily on the loan system developing other clubs' players, and having to rebuild every season when the loans expire. For the same reason I'm not interested in developmental players who aren't going to contribute much here. Neither would the loaning club if their players don't play I suspect. I wouldn't want us to take loanees from the Premier League at all, hate that we're developing rivals' players for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ''Have yous lads got some money I can borrow for cans?'' - Joe Kinnear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't like the idea of loaning players from another team in the same league, I still think we stopped becoming rivals to Man UTD when we loaned Rossi off them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If you don't the likes of Everton are going to use the loan system to great effect. Of course I would prefer a loan with a view to buy but if a quality player like Lukaku turns up and we are short in that position, why not? We only have ourselves to blame for not utilising the loan system to our benefit in terms of both ins and outs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Wouldn't want to loan Zaha unless we have a real agreement in place purchase him after. It's bad enough that our current leading scorer belongs to a Championship club. We shouldn't be helping other Premier League clubs develop their talent. We are having a hard enough time finding playing time for Ben Arfa and Marveaux or any of our own youngsters, so lets not go and give time to another clubs player. If we are only going after squad filler than buy someone cheap and hope they turn into another Gouffran or give our own academy players a chance. The loan system is shit and just encourages the big clubs to suck up all the talent at no risk. It's embarrassing for a club of our size to have to rely on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Doubt Man Utd will loan Zaha to us when he isn't guaranteed game time anyway. If he isn't going to be playing regularly and just sitting on the bench he might as well sit on theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 10:36, chopey said: I don't like the idea of loaning players from another team in the same league, I still think we stopped becoming rivals to Man UTD when we loaned Rossi off them I thought the bit where we finished in the bottom half for 4 years running while they were off winning the Champions League probably did it. I don't get the hatred for the loan system. I don't care if we 'develop someone else's players' if it means we benefit from a better player and we finish in a better position as a result. That's what a trade is about, you do something that is in both parties interest. Admittedly the system is just allowing some clubs to hoover up players and needs reform, but we shouldn't consider ourselves above borrowing players from other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 10:15, Dave said: And so it begins. Rinse and repeat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 16/12/2013 at 23:33, Mole_Toonfan said: I doubt i'm the only one who thinks he wouldn't improve the starting eleven tbh.... i don't want players which make the disparity in quality between the starting eleven and the bench even bigger than it already is. I want players that would actually improve he starting eleven and for me he doesn't do that.... also his talent doesn't outweigh his lack of brain. Yep. Ridiculous to bench/exclude people like HBA and Marveaux only to bring in a far less talented player with about the same level of workrate as them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 With Jonas, Marveaux and even Lightbulb Heed out of the picture this one might happen imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We need a replacement for Shola. If we don't get one in January it'll be the biggest fucking joke since... the last transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think we are above loaning players from other teams ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Someone needs to slap those idiots around. Striker, Winger, CB. Its absolutely essential to sign all 3 if we want to keep this pace up. Its not even ambition, its common sense ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If Mike Ashley had ANY common sense.... ah never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think we should concentrate on bringing Sammy etc through. Only worth loaning if appreciably better than what we have and not convinced Zaha is, just go out and buy Tom Ince instead or start using Sammy more. Loans are decent if deal in place at end of it but otherwise we are back to square one and our young players are not getting the chance. We do need a couple of wingers though but rather we bought one in rather than loan if we must Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 12:51, Kanji said: Someone needs to slap those idiots around. Striker, Winger, CB. Its absolutely essential to sign all 3 if we want to keep this pace up. Its not even ambition, its common sense ffs. # Cant see it happening, his long term goal is to keep NUFC in the prem in a stable position.. not seek imporvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 12:54, Northerngimp said: Quote Someone needs to slap those idiots around. Striker, Winger, CB. Its absolutely essential to sign all 3 if we want to keep this pace up. Its not even ambition, its common sense ffs. # Cant see it happening, his long term goal is to keep NUFC in the prem in a stable position.. not seek imporvement. I know, I know. It's so frustrating isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We're in a fantastic position to speculate to accumulate but that principle doesn't exist with these arseholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 13:04, Kanji said: Quote Quote Someone needs to slap those idiots around. Striker, Winger, CB. Its absolutely essential to sign all 3 if we want to keep this pace up. Its not even ambition, its common sense ffs. # Cant see it happening, his long term goal is to keep NUFC in the prem in a stable position.. not seek imporvement. I know, I know. It's so frustrating isn't it? Massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 On 17/12/2013 at 13:05, Dave said: We're in a fantastic position to speculate to accumulate but that principle doesn't exist with these arseholes. Of course. Nout will happen incoming wise, and he (Ashley) will seek to peddle either Cabaye again, or Krul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Trying to explain our lack of activity to those who are neutral or follow other teams is funny too. They seriously just can't process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Disregarding our (lack of) ambition - imagine if this squad was topped with 2-3 players (a winger and a striker primarily) in January. And we attracted a better manager. That's how close we are to mount a challenge for top 4 in my opinion. Ashley's faith in Carr has paid off and made his way of running the club less harmful. We've assembled some superb players over the past 2-3 years for very moderate sums. It's a shame that ambition and understanding of football (Pardew and the managerial glass ceiling that prevents us from moving forward) has coincided with the faith in Carr. Frustrating as fuck. It used to be backing of managers but shit players being signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 He would get his money back quicker if we were involved in the shake up at the end of the season, attract better sponsorship, club would become more self sufficent and he could have his shoddy sports wear company along for the ride. Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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