Froggy Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You should post the gif again I'll have a brainfart again in the near future. I'm sure you'll be on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Leffe I don't buy it, sorry, but if it was your player doing it you'd be all lyrical. I'm not saying what Suarez did is right in the ethical sense, I'm just saying that what he did is what 99% of us would do ourselves or want our players to do in a situation like that. If some of you belong to that 1% then fair enough, you're better than most, but until you experience a situation like that and I see all of you being quite disgusted with qualifying and making petitions for you not to qualify as it's cheating I won't buy it. My soon 10 years on here I've seen a lot of decisions go our favour and us fans accepting it, many of these in meaningless Premier League games. Pretending like it's a cultural aspect rather than the fact that everyone wants to win at all costs is laughable. Steven Taylor did it and everyone found it profoundly embarrassing/disapproved. Leffe is spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Leffe I don't buy it, sorry, but if it was your player doing it you'd be all lyrical. I'm not saying what Suarez did is right in the ethical sense, I'm just saying that what he did is what 99% of us would do ourselves or want our players to do in a situation like that. If some of you belong to that 1% then fair enough, you're better than most, but until you experience a situation like that and I see all of you being quite disgusted with qualifying and making petitions for you not to qualify as it's cheating I won't buy it. My soon 10 years on here I've seen a lot of decisions go our favour and us fans accepting it, many of these in meaningless Premier League games. Pretending like it's a cultural aspect rather than the fact that everyone wants to win at all costs is laughable. Steven Taylor did it and everyone found it profoundly embarrassing/disapproved. Leffe is spot on :lol: :lol: Yeah let's take the example where we're down 1-0 already in a meaningless PL game and compare it to the Suarez handball in WC stage where your nation has not been for I don't know how many decades. Also they scored, so we didn't take advantage from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Welcome to the club, Bezza. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Welcome to the club, Bezza. Probably just us four in the UK, mind you. Rare congenital defect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If Karma exists Holland (because Flip hates us) will knock Brazil out of the WC next month after a similar incident. I fully expect Flip to be reasonable and applaud the Dutch player in question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If Karma exists Holland (because Flip hates us) will knock Brazil out of the WC next month after a similar incident. I fully expect Flip to be reasonable and applaud the Dutch player in question. Why would I applaud him when I'm on the opposite side? You're not the most intelligent on here and I respect that not everyone can be, but to make assumptions out of the blue like that is ridiculous. I'm talking from the point of view where yourself got the decision in favour of you. Why in the name of god would I applaud someone else, I'm not applauding anyone, I'm just saying he did what was right for his team. It's the same way when Arbeloa pulled Neymar down in the last Confed Final, I was p*ssed becasue he wasn't sent off, not because he did what he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Also, hates Holland? I think there's far more footballing teams that I dislike than the dutch team tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If Karma exists Holland (because Flip hates us) will knock Brazil out of the WC next month after a similar incident. I fully expect Flip to be reasonable and applaud the Dutch player in question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. You leave palnese alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. You leave palnese alone. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Junkie? Right, I'll leave it at that. I've said I accept the the other viewpoint as long as it's true. History tells me something else though, and I bet that the day we win something after we've cheated our way to the final, you'll be staying home while the rest will be joining in celebrations. Good on you. http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-brazil-world-cup-posters-2014-5 Couple cool posters there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompe Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/53/538/538729/flo320_1213955673.jpg Penalty was clear as a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more pissed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more p*ssed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Junkie? Right, I'll leave it at that. I've said I accept the the other viewpoint as long as it's true. History tells me something else though, and I bet that the day we win something after we've cheated our way to the final, you'll be staying home while the rest will be joining in celebrations. Good on you. http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-brazil-world-cup-posters-2014-5 Couple cool posters there. You and me both know we'll never win anything. It's not as cut and dry as you've painted it IMO. If Saylor had another 'Saylor moment' next year in the 3rd round of the Cup next year, and we went on to win it (hold the bellylaughs), it's not like I'd recuse myself from being a fan and enjoying the tournament from the 3rd round onwards - the actions of one individual in one moment don't irrevocably taint the club's success, and it's perfectly possible to disapprove of poor sportsmanship but still want the team to do well/enjoy success. If it happens in the final, I'd be really ashamed though - and I'd say it spoiled the victory on the day, absolutely. Would the route to the final be retrospectively voided - absolutely not. I'd take pride in it. [This is all in some Pardewless-fantasy-land, obviously]. There are actually some things which are more important than winning to me. It's the same reason I didn't really enjoy the season we finished fifth. Style and sportsmanship are why I'm a football fan, otherwise in my head it's all actually really artless and facile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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