Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 "The stats are there for all to see" That's what I'm saying is bollocks. I haven't even critisised Shola's introduction, so I'm not sure why you're lumping me in with that opinion? I just find the argument of "we had more shots on target after the sub" pretty hilarious. I never said that, we actually created way more chances than WHU after the sub, between the 60th and 90th minutes, having created none between the 47th and 60th ergo we regained control having lost it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I am confused. What do the stats show? They show an aggregation of specific events that occurred during a pre defined scenario. They don't show you anything more than that. That is probably why anyone with a grasp of the subtleties of football choose to debate the things their eyes witnessed. Personally, my eyes saw a manager bring Shola on to eschew genuine ball retention in favour of "containing" a team that had no midfield or defence. Having seen the whole game I would choose to use what i saw to form the basis of my summary. However, if I knew nowt about a sport, stats would be all I had. Were that the case, I'd probably think we had a really good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 "The stats are there for all to see" That's what I'm saying is bollocks. I haven't even critisised Shola's introduction, so I'm not sure why you're lumping me in with that opinion? I just find the argument of "we had more shots on target after the sub" pretty hilarious. I never said that, we actually created way more chances than WHU after the sub, between the 60th and 90th minutes, having created none between the 47th and 60th ergo we regained control having lost it. You cant ignore the fact they were pushing on trying to get an equaliser. Shola was brought on to help defend set pieces not create more chances tbf. They're the worst team i've seen in the league, i really hope they go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 <a href="http://reactiongifs.com/?p=17990"><img src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/dr-lol.gif"></a> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think a major factor behind our failure to kill teams off is our lack of ability to hit teams on the break, and that comes down to poor technical ability amongst too many players. Quite often, we win possession on a turnover and then waste precious seconds with passes that are designed to keep the ball rather than move it forward into threatening positions. As a result, players don't really charge forward with confidence in that situation because they've no confidence that they'll get the ball. The chief culprit here is Tiote. The guy always seems to need two or three extra touches before he's able to release the ball, and his passes are rarely of a defence-splitting nature. I just feel his presence plays its part in ensuring a comfortable mid-table position, but he also limits how much this team can progress. I don't agree with the view that the squad is under-achieving because of Pardew's tactics. If anything, he's making the most out of what he's got. Whether he should share responsibility for the state of the squad is another point - a lot of people at our club have a finger in that particular pie. Utter lunacy. The transfer values of our squad players individually blows that ludicrous theory out of the water. I'd say we were the 8th best side in the division and we're in our rightful place. Of the 11 who started yesterday, I'd say only one - Cabaye - had real technical ability. We are a well organised, athletic team rather than a skilful one, and that limits how far we can progress from this point. The usual complaint is he doesn't start Ben Arfa, but given Ben Arfa's erratic play and poor defensive work, it's not exactly a clear cut decision. We need to strike gold by unearthing one or two uncut diamonds, either through the youth development side, or by signing an underdeveloped talent from abroad. We can't compete with the bigger clubs for the top players of proven ability. Not yet anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Very Harsh that I think our first 11 is top 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Very Harsh that I think our first 11 is top 5 Which sides above us do you think our first 11 is stronger than? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Spurs, Man U, Everton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Spurs, Man U, Everton Try nah, mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Very Harsh that I think our first 11 is top 5 It's not mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Everton are they only ones we can compare to ahead of us, including all their ringers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Sorry, just for the craic, can you specify which of the top 5 we have a better first 11 than. a) Arsenal b) Manchester City c) Chelsea d) Liverpool e) Tottenham Hotspur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I don't think any other supporter of Newcastle United would agree with us having the 5th best first 11. Our team is still drenched in problems. Some that could be fixed with a smarter manager, others with transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Spurs .....................I think we have a better first 11 than Spurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Spurs .....................I think we have a better first 11 than Spurs We haven't. Get your dealer to sort me out. He must have some cracking gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Fair enough, you may be right. Fancy doing a positional like for like? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/kader/verein_148.html http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/newcastle-united/kader/verein_762.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Fair enough, you may be right. Fancy doing a positional like for like? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/kader/verein_148.html http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/newcastle-united/kader/verein_762.html I'm a married man !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think we have a handful of players at best that would get in top 5 teams - Cabaye - Debuchy - Mbiwa - Colo - Remy I don't even think Krul is that good, his kicking is shocking. Def top 8 keeper but not better than keepers at top 5 clubs. Don't think ben arfa would make top 5 and only maybe Tiote left out that on his day is better than all but City have in their defensive midfield. Sissoko and Gouffran top 10 players but nowhere near top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Different opinions I suppose Fair enough, you may be right. Fancy doing a positional like for like? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/kader/verein_148.html http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/newcastle-united/kader/verein_762.html I'm a married man !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Job done you fuck face salesman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.msg4648632.html#msg4648632 Fair play to MrMojo for paying out early on this. Top lad. Telt you's Laudrup was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.msg4648632.html#msg4648632 Fair play to MrMojo for paying out early on this. Top lad. Telt you's Laudrup was shite. they're in serious fucking bother tbh, still, watched a bit of them yesterday and they were still attacking spurs, still playing the right way hopefully there's a version of bosingwa to save laudrup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I reckon they'll shit on Fulham & West Ham and get some breathing space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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