Nobody Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's a bit cliche that Pardew makes poor players play better than they are, or would at any other club tbh. Most poor players have just looked unsurprisingly like poor players under him. Williamson is fairly solid when alongside Coloccini and Leon Best and Ryan Taylor have been "useful" under him. There are many other poor players up and down the league putting in performances for other managers. Not really relevant, but Ryan Taylor has not been "useful" at all. One of the worst players I've seen for us in a long, long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would rather have that little Argie manager from Southampton. Tons of managers around who wants their team playing entertaining football. Said last season that Martinez would've been an excellent appointment as long as he had some guidances in the transfer window. Doing a very good job at Everton who could've been further up the table had they not been so unlucky in the beginning of the season where they just couldn't seem to score from a million of chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's a bit cliche that Pardew makes poor players play better than they are, or would at any other club tbh. Most poor players have just looked unsurprisingly like poor players under him. Williamson is fairly solid when alongside Coloccini and Leon Best and Ryan Taylor have been "useful" under him. There are many other poor players up and down the league putting in performances for other managers. Not really relevant, but Ryan Taylor has not been "useful" at all. One of the worst players I've seen for us in a long, long time. Was ok during that unbeaten run, but was still the weakest link and the unbeaten run came to an end when he had a mare against Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Sorry everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's a bit cliche that Pardew makes poor players play better than they are, or would at any other club tbh. Most poor players have just looked unsurprisingly like poor players under him. Williamson is fairly solid when alongside Coloccini and Leon Best and Ryan Taylor have been "useful" under him. There are many other poor players up and down the league putting in performances for other managers. Not really relevant, but Ryan Taylor has not been "useful" at all. One of the worst players I've seen for us in a long, long time. He was a part of a back 4 that pretty much got us a 5th place finish He wasn't great at left back by any means, and was replaced by Santon halfway through the season, but to say he wasn't useful that season is being really churlish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would rather have that little Argie manager from Southampton. Tons of managers around who wants their team playing entertaining football. Said last season that Martinez would've been an excellent appointment as long as he had some guidances in the transfer window. Doing a very good job at Everton who could've been further up the table had they not been so unlucky in the beginning of the season where they just couldn't seem to score from a million of chances. Swansea has just sacked someone who I'd wank my penis off if we got. The whole "might as well keep him, because who would we replace him with" went out the window the second he was sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would rather have that little Argie manager from Southampton. Would take top 8 over a cup run, but at least plays good football along the way that could still make profit on players. Mike Ashley's wet dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would rather have that little Argie manager from Southampton. Tons of managers around who wants their team playing entertaining football. Said last season that Martinez would've been an excellent appointment as long as he had some guidances in the transfer window. Doing a very good job at Everton who could've been further up the table had they not been so unlucky in the beginning of the season where they just couldn't seem to score from a million of chances. Swansea has just sacked someone who I'd wank my penis off if we got. The whole "might as well keep him, because who would we replace him with" went out the window the second he was sacked. Are you not a tiny bit suspicious about the way he's left Swansea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. It's so bad here tbh. I can't think of one journalist/pundit I respect. The is version is streets ahead It sounds like no one with a TV gig watches a minute of our games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's a bit cliche that Pardew makes poor players play better than they are, or would at any other club tbh. Most poor players have just looked unsurprisingly like poor players under him. Williamson is fairly solid when alongside Coloccini and Leon Best and Ryan Taylor have been "useful" under him. There are many other poor players up and down the league putting in performances for other managers. I don't play close enough attention to other clubs to notice how their poorer players are performing but I know Williamson, Best, Raylor, Perch, Guthrie etc.. Have all had spells at the club where they were considered worse than shite then could have arguably been harshly moved out of the team when the regular first teamers have got fit again. Williamson is probably our first choice centre back (even with everyone fit) at the moment for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think they just have a quick glance at the league table and base their comments on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. It's so bad here tbh. I can't think of one journalist/pundit I respect. The is version is streets ahead It sounds like no one with a TV gig watches a minute of our games. That's basically it, they do the bare minimum and watch what's on/big teams. Then peddle the latest cliche around "pardew is doing fine", I seem to recall one saying we were a threat from set pieces once A threat to the fans behind the goal and the players making up the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's a bit cliche that Pardew makes poor players play better than they are, or would at any other club tbh. Most poor players have just looked unsurprisingly like poor players under him. Williamson is fairly solid when alongside Coloccini and Leon Best and Ryan Taylor have been "useful" under him. There are many other poor players up and down the league putting in performances for other managers. I don't play close enough attention to other clubs to notice how their poorer players are performing but I know Williamson, Best, Raylor, Perch, Guthrie etc.. Have all had spells at the club where they were considered worse than shite then could have arguably been harshly moved out of the team when the regular first teamers have got fit again. Williamson is probably our first choice centre back (even with everyone fit) at the moment for example. I don't think Pardew improved any of those players, they just fit in with his back to basics style of football. Not surprising since they are Championship players for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would rather have that little Argie manager from Southampton. Tons of managers around who wants their team playing entertaining football. Said last season that Martinez would've been an excellent appointment as long as he had some guidances in the transfer window. Doing a very good job at Everton who could've been further up the table had they not been so unlucky in the beginning of the season where they just couldn't seem to score from a million of chances. Swansea has just sacked someone who I'd wank my penis off if we got. The whole "might as well keep him, because who would we replace him with" went out the window the second he was sacked. Are you not a tiny bit suspicious about the way he's left Swansea? Compared to how Pardew is handling us? No, not in the slightest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I can think of a couple of candidates I'd prefer though... Pundits who are good: Marcotti Carragher Honigstein Neville Souness at times. I know I know, shuuut up There are more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'd take Danny Baker, he could pick the side using a toaster to make decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 So you'd have someone who is a decent pundit over someone who won a cup with fucking Swansea and has proven he plays good football? Also, you do know that you make your point redundant the very second you typed up Souness' name, right? Being a decent pundit does not mean you can manage a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. It's so bad here tbh. I can't think of one journalist/pundit I respect. The is version is streets ahead It sounds like no one with a TV gig watches a minute of our games. That's basically it, they do the bare minimum and watch what's on/big teams. Then peddle the latest cliche around "pardew is doing fine", I seem to recall one saying we were a threat from set pieces once A threat to the fans behind the goal and the players making up the wall. And to ourselves if i recall, we seemed to end up conceding from them we innovated the set piece Getting back to it, I saw something when that dude walked up to Pards and tried to give him his season ticket. The caption was like "They're 8th!" all incredulous that the fans would be this pissed off. I found it hilarious, tbh. How unaware of our team/play/last two seasons do you have to be to think we're overreacting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 So you'd have someone who is a decent pundit over someone who won a cup with fucking Swansea and has proven he plays good football? Also, you do know that you make your point redundant the very second you typed up Souness' name, right? Being a decent pundit does not mean you can manage a team. I think I've confused you a bit there, sorry. I responded to the post above me, then went on to rejoin the discussion on pundits. I don't think Gabriele Marcotti would make a good manager ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 lollemache Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. It's so bad here tbh. I can't think of one journalist/pundit I respect. The is version is streets ahead It sounds like no one with a TV gig watches a minute of our games. That's basically it, they do the bare minimum and watch what's on/big teams. Then peddle the latest cliche around "pardew is doing fine", I seem to recall one saying we were a threat from set pieces once A threat to the fans behind the goal and the players making up the wall. And to ourselves if i recall, we seemed to end up conceding from them we innovated the set piece Getting back to it, I saw something when that dude walked up to Pards and tried to give him his season ticket. The caption was like "They're 8th!" all incredulous that the fans would be this p*ssed off. I found it hilarious, tbh. How unaware of our team/play/last two seasons do you have to be to think we're overreacting. That's it, that's the rhetoric that's getting put out there constantly, so it becomes fact as people don't know/care enough about us. It's grim. The deadly bit of it is that we've probably got an owner that gets his opinions from TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I can think of a couple of candidates I'd prefer though... Pundits who are good: Marcotti Carragher Honigstein Neville Souness at times. I know I know, shuuut up There are more When you say good, do you mean like...they're competent, or that they're willing to say what needs to be said? Have any of them mentioned how terrible we are and how unable he is to cope with getting the team to play well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we sack Pardew, we'll be in the bottom 4 this time next season apparently Based on what? These guys are ridiculous. I wonder how good the EPL would be if England had an actual sports media. It's so bad here tbh. I can't think of one journalist/pundit I respect. The is version is streets ahead It sounds like no one with a TV gig watches a minute of our games. That's basically it, they do the bare minimum and watch what's on/big teams. Then peddle the latest cliche around "pardew is doing fine", I seem to recall one saying we were a threat from set pieces once A threat to the fans behind the goal and the players making up the wall. And to ourselves if i recall, we seemed to end up conceding from them we innovated the set piece Getting back to it, I saw something when that dude walked up to Pards and tried to give him his season ticket. The caption was like "They're 8th!" all incredulous that the fans would be this p*ssed off. I found it hilarious, tbh. How unaware of our team/play/last two seasons do you have to be to think we're overreacting. That's it, that's the rhetoric that's getting put out there constantly, so it becomes fact as people don't know/care enough about us. It's grim. The deadly bit of it is that we've probably got an owner that gets his opinions from TV. I'd honestly be surprised if he even watches football, I don't think he even likes it Comes to the games, sees a relatively full house. Looks at the table, not in the bottom three or top six, good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I know I shouldn't care about it, but I'm at the stage where I'm tearing my hair out listening to people defend Pardew. Especially in the context that he's been dealt a rough hand by Ashley. That is absolute bullshit. Pardew has either zero integrity - or he's in on the whole thing (it's both, btw). Saying he's done a great job 'in the circumstances' - or words to that effect - is just utter cluelessness, and it's particularly galling when it's spoken with such arrogance and often disdain for Newcastle supporters. Everyone seems to be an expert when it comes to the mentality of Newcastle fans. Is there another club in the league that gets the same tired "fans expect" cliches thrown at us? This season there's probably only ManU who pip us to the post in that wanky little league table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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