Jordan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The old "everyone's opinions are exaggerated by their hatred of Pardew spiel." Ahh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. I'm not convinced we looked better once Ameobi came on, but either way, it feels rather difficult to praise him for such a move given our lack of impetus was due to him in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 In my opinion we had actually lost our grip of the game before that Anita was taken off. We had lost our passing game and were looking for an outlet and for someone to hold the ball up for a bit. Shola did a decent job of that and allowed us to clear our lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. Maybe he should try and regain the impetus by controlling possession, rather than hoping he can get away with twatting the ball away for a full fucking third of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. You would think the manager might try to do something about it if it was happening so often instead of always reacting to a regular event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down. Exactly, i'm in a postion of seeing better football, a definite plus point. But still seeing the same defensive mindset in 2nd halfs if we're winning, and virtually knowing we wont come from behind if we concede first, something we've had with him from the very start. In that it's more the never looking like coming back that irks me. Aligned with his constant talking down of the club and team, constant transfer talk bollocks, his 'lets win for Mike' disgraceful comment. It's not just one thing with him, it's more than just the football. Tbf to Toon Pack, he said he didn't care about that stuff as long we're winning. I can't agree with that point of view at all. But we have a theme on here of, you love him or hate him. No middle ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. Yet we created more chances/attempts on goal than the period before the change, you want it to be a shite sub but it wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. Maybe he should try and regain the impetus by controlling possession, rather than hoping he can get away with twatting the ball away for a full fucking third of the game. aye this, precisely, people here acting here like we have 2 options when the other team decides to put up a fight: lose & shola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. I could understand if this was against a good team but looking to protect a lead against one of the worst sides in the league after tearing them apart for 45 mins then coming out for the next 45 looking absolutely petrified of them. If we'd continued in the same vein as the first half we could be looking back at a 4 or 5-1 win but because of his negativity we were happy to hold onto a 2-1 lead. If Carlton Cole or Carroll had scored the simple opportunities they were given we would have gone on to lose the game. I'm sick of having a manager whose not afraid to just go at a team for 90 mins, it's a fucking joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. You would think the manager might try to do something about it if it was happening so often instead of always reacting to a regular event. Exactly, it's not the fact it happens, it's the regularity of it. I'm amazed some still dont recognise it happens so often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. Yet we created more chances/attempts on goal than the period before the change, you want it to be a shite sub but it wasn't. You're hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 If we struggle for longer than 5 mins when defending a 1 goal lead his solution is always Anita for Shola and to go 4-4-2 with us hoofing the ball up to the useless cunt. I'm fucking sick of it, can't even enjoy us winning anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. Wanting Pardew to leave I understand - but it really isn't that odd that a manager might look to protect a 2-1 lead when the impetus has shifted rather than go looking for a third. Maybe he should try and regain the impetus by controlling possession, rather than hoping he can get away with twatting the ball away for a full f***ing third of the game. I agree - that is a much better option, but I think it is a bit simplistic just to assume that we (or indeed any team) can do that whenever we want to (I agree that occasionally would be nice though). The opposition is more than likely going to come out and raise their game and play at a higher tempo and put us under pressure. It's not like it only happens to us. It happens to teams with better players and better managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. It helped defend set pieces, which i think was the point of it. Positive it wasn't but helpful it actually was tbf. Pardew in a nutshell. It helped us not concede instead of making a substitute to help us score. I can't wait for the day he finally leaves. I can see why some praise that sub yesterday, it work in that game. It did help with Wham hoying it in. But he'd make the same sub against someone not doing it, which is what some fail to see and understand. You get told you want us to win by 5 or 6 if you want us to keep attacking. Middle ground again, i want us to be attacking without being daft. If asking for that is being a mad man fine. Nutty i am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down. Exactly, i'm in a postion of seeing better football, a definite plus point. But still seeing the same defensive mindset in 2nd halfs if we're winning, and virtually knowing we wont come from behind if we concede first, some thing we've had with him from the very start. In that it's more the never looking like coming back that irks me. Aligned with his constant talking down of the club and team, constant transfer talk bollocks, his 'lets win for Mike' disgraceful comment. It's not just one thing with him, it's more than just the football. Tbf to Toon Pack, he said he didn't care about that stuff as long we're winning. I can't agree with that point of view at all. But we have a theme on here of, you love him or hate him. No middle ground. I'm in the middle ground tbh I see signs of improvement, I see no current reason to change, other than for changes sake and that has served us (and other clubs) so well in the past hasn't it. I wanted his head on a spike after the mackems and Liverpool at home last season, I really thought there was no coming back from that, even Blyth bloody Spartans shouldn't lose 6-0 at home to a Liverpool without Suarez. This season says I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down. I didn't say everyone, but there are just enough to make reading this thread and match threads an absolute fucking chore. He gets absolutely no credit for anything, instead there are a number of posters who will willfully ignore or misrepresent stuff that has actually occurred just to have a dig. I regularly come on here now and find myself questioning whether I watched the same match as some. If this was my only contact with our supporters I'd be questioning my own sanity. And I say all this as someone who tolerates Pardew. I don't really like the man. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't be particularly upset because I think he's a pretty average coach whose grasp on the English language is infuriatingly poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. Yet we created more chances/attempts on goal than the period before the change, you want it to be a s**** sub but it wasn't. You're hilarious. No, I'm factual and rational. We were on the back foot, change was made and we regained pretty good control. That's what really happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. No it didn't. By taking Anita off we started losing all the second balls in midfield. Yet we created more chances/attempts on goal than the period before the change, you want it to be a s**** sub but it wasn't. You're hilarious. No, I'm factual and rational. We were on the back foot, change was made and we regained pretty good control. That's what really happened. This is a perfect example of what I mean. The stats are there for all to see - we improved in the second half once Shola was introduced. Why do some pretend this is bollocks? It's fucking fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down. I didn't say everyone, but there are just enough to make reading this thread and match threads an absolute fucking chore. He gets absolutely no credit for anything, instead there are a number of posters who will willfully ignore or misrepresent stuff that has actually occurred just to have a dig. I regularly come on here now and find myself questioning whether I watched the same match as some. If this was my only contact with our supporters I'd be questioning my own sanity. And I say all this as someone who tolerates Pardew. I don't really like the man. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't be particularly upset because I think he's a pretty average coach whose grasp on the English language is infuriatingly poor. I give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 That's just made up nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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