Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 And yes, the conversation drifted horribly off-topic so it should probably not continue here, save to say that I'm not buying into anyone's propaganda. I'm basing my opinion on nothing more than watching our transfer activity. I'm not here to defend Ashley or Pardew, neither of whom I think are particularly great at their jobs. I just have a more moderate take on it than thinking they're both pure and simple forces for destruction, and for that I realise that I'll tend to receive a bit of a shoeing on here because everybody absolutely hates both of them. Fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's possible. If in September I look at our lineup and see that it's gone downhill compared to the last 3 years I'll have to conclude that we're not making enough effort. We haven't signed a player on a permanent deal for 2 whole transfer windows. Do you conclude that we are making sufficient effort? Can you answer that question please? I see you edited it Yes, because you refused to answer a basic question as I put it in the original post. The point from my original post about you being an imbecile still stands. Well you can piss off then can't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's possible. If in September I look at our lineup and see that it's gone downhill compared to the last 3 years I'll have to conclude that we're not making enough effort. We haven't signed a player on a permanent deal for 2 whole transfer windows. Do you conclude that we are making sufficient effort? Can you answer that question please? I see you edited it Yes, because you refused to answer a basic question as I put it in the original post. The point from my original post about you being an imbecile still stands. Well you can p*ss off then can't you? Deep down you know you're wrong and not spending a penny in two successive transfer windows does not represent an effort to improve. Despite your best attempts to believe different, you know that is the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I addressed that point earlier in the thread. You can read a few pages back if you like but I'm done with you for now, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Well not buying anyone for 18 months by the time the window reopens is a magnificent achievement. Well done all. Going down the road to Portsmouth is reckless in the extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I addressed that point earlier in the thread. You can read a few pages back if you like but I'm done with you for now, sorry. Grow the fuck up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I addressed that point earlier in the thread. You can read a few pages back if you like but I'm done with you for now, sorry. Under Keegan when we beat Man Utd 5-0 or Spurs 7-1, under Robson when we beat Man Utd 4-3, Leeds 4-3 or broke the London hoodoo at Arsenal - did you worry about the balance sheet or did you manage to enjoy what you had witnessed? I enjoyed what I seen on the pitch on those occasions and couldn't give a shit what the balance sheet said because I'm a fan of a football club, not a fan of a business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you not enjoy one and still care about the other? They're not mutually exclusive. And the football club you are a fan of is a business. That is simply the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Not sure anyone can enjoy Pardew's brand of football seeing as it's so shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you be a fan of business ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you be a fan of business ? He has a valid point, Football is a business now, i hate to say it but it is. We do need to be concerned about it, and tbf to Ashley he has done ok with that part. Just my opinion of it. But what we now have is a business and no football club, a club losing it soul and identity, it so skewed the other way it's ridiculous. Frankly it looks like Ashley isn't interested in as a club to win things with, we're just a vehicle for his jumble sale shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you not enjoy one and still care about the other? They're not mutually exclusive. And the football club you are a fan of is a business. That is simply the way it is. It's fucking football, nobody should give a shit about finances. I want to see the team play well and we can't do that with Pardew - there's only one solution and that's to get rid of him. I bet you're the kind of bloke who goes back to the pub after losing 3-2 and giving it the old "ah well, it's the taking part that counts". A lack of competitiveness makes me sad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you be a fan of business ? He has a valid point, Football is a business now, i hate to say it but it is. We do need to be concerned about it, and tbf to Ashley he has done ok with that part. Just my opinion of it. But what we now have is a business and no football club, a club losing it soul and identity, it so skewed the other way it's ridiculous. Frankly it looks like Ashley isn't interested in as a club to win things with, we're just a vehicle for his jumble sale shops. It's still competitive sport. The team with the best profit margins don't win things. That's not how professional sport works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I wonder if our next Accountant will get his photo in the paper alongside pardew and sign his contract in the center circle at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you be a fan of business ? He has a valid point, Football is a business now, i hate to say it but it is. We do need to be concerned about it, and tbf to Ashley he has done ok with that part. Just my opinion of it. But what we now have is a business and no football club, a club losing it soul and identity, it so skewed the other way it's ridiculous. Frankly it looks like Ashley isn't interested in as a club to win things with, we're just a vehicle for his jumble sale shops. I agree to a point. But I don't accept hiring a proven failure is good business and I'm sure you don't either. Even if we sign 5 players this summer it's pointless if we are not going to have a proper manager to manage them. As I said in the other thread, this is Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm basing my opinion on nothing more than watching our transfer activity. Can't believe this slipped past unnoticed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! , Argh, done in by the grammar brigade! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! , Argh, done in by the grammar brigade! Should really have an exclamation mark after the Argh and start a new sentence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! Dont know about a comma, but he certainly talks out of his colon. I do feel for the guy though. His optimism is other worldly. I vaguely remember being one of the positive guys. Boy did they break me though. Geez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! , Argh, done in by the grammar brigade! Should really have an exclamation mark after the Argh and start a new sentence. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Byker Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I remember being the next window guy back in 2009! Did this dude just wake from a comma or something, what vibe is he on?! Dont know about a comma, but he certainly talks out of his colon. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWQ3YOMtJaM/UEsnJKgjdkI/AAAAAAAACo0/miO-N7XEaFA/s320/black-kid-oh-snap.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR15 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm basing my opinion on nothing more than watching our transfer activity. Can't believe this slipped past unnoticed IMDB gave it 1.7 out of 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can you be a fan of business ? He has a valid point, Football is a business now, i hate to say it but it is. We do need to be concerned about it, and tbf to Ashley he has done ok with that part. Just my opinion of it. But what we now have is a business and no football club, a club losing it soul and identity, it so skewed the other way it's ridiculous. Frankly it looks like Ashley isn't interested in as a club to win things with, we're just a vehicle for his jumble sale shops. It's still competitive sport. The team with the best profit margins don't win things. That's not how professional sport works. I agree, i was just pointing out that Ashley sees it as one thing, whereas us as fan dont. While we want to be run well, what we really want is good football, and good football usually means decent results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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