Remy Cabella

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think that anyone can argue that whilst disappointing he never really forced his way into the team every week with his performances, this has removed another potential obstacle for Ayoze making the starting 11 on a regular basis again, hopefully behind Mitrovic.

 

He's better than Ayoze in non-striker positions IMO.

[geordie_b]

I don't get these deals, why aren't they just buying him now?

 

If he is good they play him and have to buy him

 

If he is crap they won't play him and won't have to buy him

 

IMO all loan deals should have an obligation to buy included (determined by FA) to stop big clubs stockpiling players

[Guest firetotheworks]

Another one off the 'failure to live up to potential' conveyor belt. Mixture of bad management and being nowhere near as good as expected. It's getting boring now.

 

You can't give a foreign player one season man. He didn't have the opportunity to live up to his potential. One example that always comes back to me is Robert Pires - he was dreadful in his first season in England. The difference is, Wenger could clearly see the potential for him to improve. Cabellas situation is 100% down to bad management - he can't shoulder any of the blame for me.

 

There are plenty of players that that's applicable to as well. Bergkamp and Modric are the first that spring to mind. I don't remember Pires being bad.

 

Weren't both players mentioned putting in effective performance by the end of their first seasons? I can't remember like, just going off their Wikis.

 

As much as players need time to adapt, there was little in Cabella's game to suggest he was going to develop into an effective PL attacking player. We'll never know now like.

 

I think they were, but the main point is that their managers continued to play them through poor performances. Modric especially was lightweight rubbish for ages and looked completely ineffective.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't get these deals, why aren't they just buying him now?

 

If he is good they play him and have to buy him

 

If he is crap they won't play him and won't have to buy him

 

IMO all loan deals should have an obligation to buy included (determined by FA) to stop big clubs stockpiling players

 

Ah right sorry, forgot it would depend on appearances, I assumed obligation no matter what.

[The College Dropout]

Another one off the 'failure to live up to potential' conveyor belt. Mixture of bad management and being nowhere near as good as expected. It's getting boring now.

 

You can't give a foreign player one season man. He didn't have the opportunity to live up to his potential. One example that always comes back to me is Robert Pires - he was dreadful in his first season in England. The difference is, Wenger could clearly see the potential for him to improve. Cabellas situation is 100% down to bad management - he can't shoulder any of the blame for me.

 

There are plenty of players that that's applicable to as well. Bergkamp and Modric are the first that spring to mind. I don't remember Pires being bad.

 

Weren't both players mentioned putting in effective performance by the end of their first seasons? I can't remember like, just going off their Wikis.

 

As much as players need time to adapt, there was little in Cabella's game to suggest he was going to develop into an effective PL attacking player. We'll never know now like.

 

I think they were, but the main point is that their managers continued to play them through poor performances. Modric especially was lightweight rubbish for ages and looked completely ineffective.

 

If Modric wasn't as good as Luka Modric he would've struggled badly. He played a lot on the left or extremely deep.. basically something silly iirc. Spurs where bottom 3 at Christmas in his first season. By the end of his first season he was looking a player iirc.

[The College Dropout]

A lot of these are loans that become transfers after 1 league appearance or something. Something to do with accounting or FFP?

[Kanj]

Can still recall him in FIFA in 2016 I bet. Ha ha!

[Guest firetotheworks]

Another one off the 'failure to live up to potential' conveyor belt. Mixture of bad management and being nowhere near as good as expected. It's getting boring now.

 

You can't give a foreign player one season man. He didn't have the opportunity to live up to his potential. One example that always comes back to me is Robert Pires - he was dreadful in his first season in England. The difference is, Wenger could clearly see the potential for him to improve. Cabellas situation is 100% down to bad management - he can't shoulder any of the blame for me.

 

There are plenty of players that that's applicable to as well. Bergkamp and Modric are the first that spring to mind. I don't remember Pires being bad.

 

Weren't both players mentioned putting in effective performance by the end of their first seasons? I can't remember like, just going off their Wikis.

 

As much as players need time to adapt, there was little in Cabella's game to suggest he was going to develop into an effective PL attacking player. We'll never know now like.

 

I think they were, but the main point is that their managers continued to play them through poor performances. Modric especially was lightweight rubbish for ages and looked completely ineffective.

 

If Modric wasn't as good as Luka Modric he would've struggled badly. He played a lot on the left or extremely deep.. basically something silly iirc. Spurs where bottom 3 at Christmas in his first season. By the end of his first season he was looking a player iirc.

 

Been staring at this for 5 minutes.

 

Nah, still no idea.

[Mole_Toonfan]

[SEMTEX]

It's a fair point imo. I often thought if Shearer wasn't as good as Shearer, he probably wouldn't have scored as many goals as he did.

[Andymc1]

Another one off the 'failure to live up to potential' conveyor belt. Mixture of bad management and being nowhere near as good as expected. It's getting boring now.

 

You can't give a foreign player one season man. He didn't have the opportunity to live up to his potential. One example that always comes back to me is Robert Pires - he was dreadful in his first season in England. The difference is, Wenger could clearly see the potential for him to improve. Cabellas situation is 100% down to bad management - he can't shoulder any of the blame for me.

 

There are plenty of players that that's applicable to as well. Bergkamp and Modric are the first that spring to mind. I don't remember Pires being bad.

 

Weren't both players mentioned putting in effective performance by the end of their first seasons? I can't remember like, just going off their Wikis.

 

As much as players need time to adapt, there was little in Cabella's game to suggest he was going to develop into an effective PL attacking player. We'll never know now like.

 

I think they were, but the main point is that their managers continued to play them through poor performances. Modric especially was lightweight rubbish for ages and looked completely ineffective.

 

If Modric wasn't as good as Luka Modric he would've struggled badly. He played a lot on the left or extremely deep.. basically something silly iirc. Spurs where bottom 3 at Christmas in his first season. By the end of his first season he was looking a player iirc.

 

Been staring at this for 5 minutes.

 

Nah, still no idea.

 

[xLiaaamx]

So if Cabella had been better than Cabella he might have succeeded

[The College Dropout]

Point is.. Luka Modric succeeded despite his physicality due to immense ability. If he had Cabella ability (from what I saw), I don't think he would've been a decent signing let alone a great one.

 

 

Your Wanyama's, Parker,  Palacios, Tiote, Cattermole etc. can do okay in the PL for a good number of years due to physicality. I don't think the same can be said for your Anita's with technical ability. Basically, there's a higher threshold to success if your game is more skill based than physical.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Plurals don't have apostrophes, especially when pluralising something that already cannot be pluralised.

 

Modric succeeded because Spurs continued to play him despite poor performances. Whether Cabella is going to become a good player or not, I'm not sure. Mainly because I still don't feel like I've seen enough of him and I don't think he played enough for anyone to make any kind of informed judgement.

 

[SEMTEX]

Modric succeeded because Spurs continued to play him despite poor performances. Whether Cabella is going to become a good player or not, I'm not sure. Mainly because I still don't feel like I've seen enough of him and I don't think he played enough for anyone to make any kind of informed judgement.

 

 

[The College Dropout]

Modric succeeded because he's an excellent footballer first and foremost. I'm not having it that he was consistently poor in his first season.

 

I would agree that we needed to see more of Cabella. But if we get our money back, i'm personally not fussed he's gone. Didn't show a lot in the small glimpses we saw.

[mozy]

I read the other day that Montpellier designed their whole team in 2012-2014 around Cabella in the #10 role. He was never going to get that under Alan Pardew so it's not a surprise that he struggled. I'd say his best case career path leads him to become a player similar to Samir Nasri, be interesting to see how OM develop him.

 

His decision making in the final third was particularly poor though. Albeit with no help given by teammates or 'coaching' staff.

[HawK]

Plurals don't have apostrophes, especially when pluralising something that already cannot be pluralised.

 

Modric succeeded because Spurs continued to play him despite poor performances. Whether Cabella is going to become a good player or not, I'm not sure. Mainly because I still don't feel like I've seen enough of him and I don't think he played enough for anyone to make any kind of informed judgement.

 

 

[arnonel]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between a) loan first with obligation to buy, and b) buy now, but pay in installments

 

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[Kanj]

I read the other day that Montpellier designed their whole team in 2012-2014 around Cabella in the #10 role. He was never going to get that under Alan Pardew so it's not a surprise that he struggled. I'd say his best case career path leads him to become a player similar to Samir Nasri, be interesting to see how OM develop him.

 

His decision making in the final third was particularly poor though. Albeit with no help given by teammates or 'coaching' staff.

 

Was this after Belhanda left?

[SEMTEX]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between a) loan first with obligation to buy, and b) buy now, but pay in installments

 

?

 

Seems that the "obligation" only kicks in should certain criteria be met. The kind of criteria that are unlikely to ever not be met.

 

If Cabella breaks his leg and OM get relegated, they probably don't have to buy him at that point.

[Guest hbarecall]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between a) loan first with obligation to buy, and b) buy now, but pay in installments

 

?

 

Seems that the "obligation" only kicks in should certain criteria be met. The kind of criteria that are unlikely to ever not be met.

 

If Cabella breaks his leg and OM get relegated, they probably don't have to buy him at that point.

Cabella it's not player for pl but L1 it's good

It's obligation

[mozy]

I read the other day that Montpellier designed their whole team in 2012-2014 around Cabella in the #10 role. He was never going to get that under Alan Pardew so it's not a surprise that he struggled. I'd say his best case career path leads him to become a player similar to Samir Nasri, be interesting to see how OM develop him.

 

His decision making in the final third was particularly poor though. Albeit with no help given by teammates or 'coaching' staff.

 

Was this after Belhanda left?

 

I'm not sure, was an article someone posted in here. Said Cabella was basically a super sub 6th man in 11/12, then became the centre piece 12/14. 

[Kanj]

Belhanda was the #10 when they won the title. Cabella came in after that and took the role on but by that point Giroud had gone and PSG continued to strengthen.

[Guest hbarecall]

Belhanda was the #10 when they won the title. Cabella came in after that and took the role on but by that point Giroud had gone and PSG continued to strengthen.

Yes kenji