Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It wasn't just Southampton game though, almost every time he's ever been taken off in his career we have lost any sort of control we may have had. It's because none of the other midfielders in the squad have a clue how to position themselves off the ball, Colback doesn't and Tiote certainly doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Lock the thread, TCD has spoken. #shuttler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He actually had one of the best games I've seen him play yesterday, can't remember any outlandish mistakes apart from his positioning before the situation where he had to pull someone back. He reminds me of Nicky Butt plays it safe all game and does a couple of blocks and is seen as a MOTM. Every time he gets the ball he does about 3 ball rolls maybe changes direction 3/4 times then passes it 10 yard sideways. He needs to be 2 steps further a head and know where to pass as he receives the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It wasn't just Southampton game though, almost every time he's ever been taken off in his career we have lost any sort of control we may have had. It's because none of the other midfielders in the squad have a clue how to position themselves off the ball. Colback doesn't and Tiote certainly doesn't helps to see this stuff with your eyes i suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 "You're looking at it too simple" You're wrong anyway TCD, the real reason Southampton got back into the game can be found within the following Euler's formula: e^{ix}=\cos x+i\sin x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I wouldn't mind him passing it sideways at all if he did it a bit quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He has some positional discipline. Yes. When he's subbed, it's usually for someone who doesn't possess that quality. But his own game - yesterday was bang average. No better than Colback. When I watch him, I just don't think he gives enough to the team generally. Although the last couple league games he's started he's imposed himself more defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 "You're looking at it too simple" You're wrong anyway TCD, the real reason Southampton got back into the game can be found within the following Euler's formula: e^{ix}=\cos x+i\sin x Did you nick that from The Imitation Game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It wasn't just Southampton game though, almost every time he's ever been taken off in his career we have lost any sort of control we may have had. It's because none of the other midfielders in the squad have a clue how to position themselves off the ball. Colback doesn't and Tiote certainly doesn't helps to see this stuff with your eyes i suppose Think the best way to describe it is you don't realise how important he is until he's no longer on the pitch, isn't the first time him being subbed off caused the entire structure of the team to go to shit and it certainly won't be the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It's not about that and it never has been Anita positions himself properly off the ball and makes himself away available for the pass constantly, Colback doesn't and slows down the build up where as Anita gets it to where it needs to go quickly instead dawdling on the ball like Colback does allowing the opposition to get into position. Shock and horror as soon as Anita goes off we struggle to hold on to the ball for more than 5 passes, which has happened almost everytime he's been subbed off in his Newcastle career. I have said before i don't want to see them both together, but there's more to it than where they pass the ball. This. End of, really. Also, from the stats TCD posted, Anita barely crosses the halfway line. Colback found himself in advanced positions a lot more often. How some still don't get the difference between the two when it comes to the sideways passing is beyond me. The heat maps illustrate it perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Still waiting for an example of one forward pass from Colback. Even McClaren was urging him to switch play late in the game when he kept passing it to the left side after it had become congested. The guy doesn't use the ball with any intelligence at all. He's not thinking about what he's doing at all. What a stupid comment. If he wasn't thinking about what he's doing, he'd gave the ball away all the time! There's no way I am responding to this. You're ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 "You're looking at it too simple" You're wrong anyway TCD, the real reason Southampton got back into the game can be found within the following Euler's formula: e^{ix}=\cos x+i\sin x Did you nick that from The Imitation Game? I must have Was in my head from somewhere when I decided I needed a nonsensical ending for my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He has some positional discipline. Yes. When he's subbed, it's usually for someone who doesn't possess that quality. But his own game - yesterday was bang average. No better than Colback. Never denied that, but that's not important. His role in helping the entire team to excel is much more important, even when he's not playing great individually we are much better off with him on the pitch then we are with him off it. There are certain players who just by being on the pitch make those around them better irrelevant of his own performance and he's one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Just seen the maps. Colback is in the opposition half far more, as he should be, and still passing backwards and sideways. Why? On the rare occasions Anita is in the opposition half, he plays a higher percentage of passes forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If Colback had gone off injured for Tiote instead, we'd still have struggled in the same ways as when Anita went off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He actually had one of the best games I've seen him play yesterday, can't remember any outlandish mistakes apart from his positioning before the situation where he had to pull someone back. He reminds me of Nicky Butt plays it safe all game and does a couple of blocks and is seen as a MOTM. Every time he gets the ball he does about 3 ball rolls maybe changes direction 3/4 times then passes it 10 yard sideways. He needs to be 2 steps further a head and know where to pass as he receives the ball. This post is as damning of the man as any. This form a supporter of his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Just seen the maps. Colback is in the opposition half far more, as he should be, and still passing backwards and sideways. Why? On the rare occasions Anita is in the opposition half, he plays a higher percentage of passes forward. kudos to TCD for helping to settle this argument Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You didn't highlight the best part: "He actually had one of the best games I've seen him play" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If Colback had gone off injured for Tiote instead, we'd still have struggled in the same ways as when Anita went off. Not quite to the same extent but yes considering how shit Tiote is. It's more of a indictment of how this happens pretty much every time Anita is subbed than anything. I can't remember one single game when he was subbed off and the team was still in control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If Colback had gone off injured for Tiote instead, we'd still have struggled in the same ways as when Anita went off. Not quite to the same extent but yes considering how s*** Tiote is. It's more of a indictment of how this happens pretty much every time Anita is subbed than anything. I can't remember one single game when he was subbed off and the team was still in control. Anita had had far more bad games for us than he has good and other than West Ham at the end of last season (his highlight as an NUFC player) I can't really remember us controlling many games, definitely not under Carver and very rarely under Pardew as we generally played on the back foot under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Well it always got worse put it that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Just seen the maps. Colback is in the opposition half far more, as he should be, and still passing backwards and sideways. Why? On the rare occasions Anita is in the opposition half, he plays a higher percentage of passes forward. He would also invariably lose the ball. Nearly all of Colback's passes in the final third where forward and he only lost the ball twice. Anita had 7 passes into the attacking third and only completed 3. ---------------------------------- Mole's point. The only time I remember us looking worse without Anita is when we would chase a game and stick Sissoko alongside Colback in a 2. Sissoko has no positional qualities in that role and inevtiably charges up field leaving Jack who is poor at plugging gaps anyway - too much to do by himself. The Mackems home game is the example i've thinking of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 TCD man. I don't even know what to say to you anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If Colback had gone off injured for Tiote instead, we'd still have struggled in the same ways as when Anita went off. Not quite to the same extent but yes considering how s*** Tiote is. It's more of a indictment of how this happens pretty much every time Anita is subbed than anything. I can't remember one single game when he was subbed off and the team was still in control. Has Colback ever been subbed off? Maybe once if I recall. It's definitely an issue though. He is NOT the magnificent Geordie captain many make him out to be. He's a competent PL midfielder, but I don't want him in the team at the expense of someone better, or when he's off form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If Colback had gone off injured for Tiote instead, we'd still have struggled in the same ways as when Anita went off. Not quite to the same extent but yes considering how s*** Tiote is. It's more of a indictment of how this happens pretty much every time Anita is subbed than anything. I can't remember one single game when he was subbed off and the team was still in control. Anita had had far more bad games for us than he has good and other than West Ham at the end of last season (his highlight as an NUFC player) I can't really remember us controlling many games, definitely not under Carver and very rarely under Pardew as we generally played on the back foot under him. I reckon we were in control yesterday for the majority of the game. Except after his injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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