Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Offered absolutely nothing as usual, without that block at the end though we've lost that game, shame he followed it up by pissing about on the centre circle and giving them a 3 on 2 situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Offered absolutely nothing as usual, without that block at the end though we've lost that game, shame he followed it up by pissing about on the centre circle and giving them a 3 on 2 situation. You're silly . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 And you think Anita will solve that? He is as s**** as the rest of them, there is absolutely no way Anita is going to make a difference to our midfield. He doesn't do nearly enough to make a difference. Good to have your nonsense back on here though Brett, you have been a miss! Doesn't make a difference to our midfield yet first game of the season and our midfield crumbled in his absence. Guess it wasn't nonsense after all. Anita under SM has a key role to play and will win over a lot more admirers under this new style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 This thread has been a train wreck. We have De Jong, Perez, Cabella and Sissoko who could play at the position Wijnaldum took yesterday. So people would rather have those five of our most talented players fight for that one position and have two of Colback, Anita and unfit Tiote below them? And I do realise Sissoko and Perez can play on the wing too but there's competition for those places too. It's a non-brainer decision even if it would take something out of Wijnaldum's game (which I highly doubt would be the case). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 This thread has been a train wreck. We have De Jong, Perez, Cabella and Sissoko who could play at the position Wijnaldum took yesterday. So people would rather have those five of our most talented players fight for that one position and have two of Colback, Anita and unfit Tiote below them? And I do realise Sissoko and Perez can play on the wing too but there's competition for those places too. It's a non-brainer decision even if it would take something out of Wijnaldum's game (which I highly doubt would be the case). It's square pegs in round holes and out of the players you mentioned Cabella and De Jong have done nothing since their arrival to suggest they should go straight into the first XI although hopefully De Jong can Keep himself fit and give McClaren a decision to make. Wijnaldum will create and score a lot of goals for us this season if he's played in his best position and that is in an attacking role. Personally I'd like to see Wijnaldum, De Jong and either Perez or Aarons playing behind the striker with Sissoko and either Anita or Colback the two holding players behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Anyone saying f***ing winegum deserves a kick in the cock. You have said it three times in one post, that's a hatrick of punts in the penis for you. LOLLOL: funny as ... Thank goodness for a bit of humour in here. Good on ye Reefa. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 To me, Wijnaldum is going to be at his best running ahead of a fixed 10 and/or arriving in the box late. He's going to be marked even tighter after the weekend, now, so we need to get plenty of bodies around him to give him space. He's too good a footballer to leave too far up the pitch, imo, need him dominating games for us and linking play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 See that Yaya Toure fellow scored twice tonight playing CM and all the "restrictions" that supposedly come with it, silly City should have shored the defense up with Fernandinho and Fernando. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 See that Yaya Toure fellow scored twice tonight playing CM and all the "restrictions" that supposedly come with it, silly City should have shored the defense up with Fernandinho and Fernando. That Clog and Cloginho tandem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. Im hopeful for that. Dont know much about Collapsed lungs, but i imagine Dejong's return to fitness may have been a bit more careful this pre season than some of the others. May still be working his way back into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. i'm fairly confident at this stage that colback wouldn't be "great" in any system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 See that Yaya Toure fellow scored twice tonight playing CM and all the "restrictions" that supposedly come with it, silly City should have shored the defense up with Fernandinho and Fernando. He's a completely different type of player to Yaya Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 See that Yaya Toure fellow scored twice tonight playing CM and all the "restrictions" that supposedly come with it, silly City should have shored the defense up with Fernandinho and Fernando. He's a completely different type of player to Yaya Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Think there're some Wij/Colback crossed wires happening in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. Great shout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 See that Yaya Toure fellow scored twice tonight playing CM and all the "restrictions" that supposedly come with it, silly City should have shored the defense up with Fernandinho and Fernando. He's a completely different type of player to Yaya Toure. To risk further crossed wires, there were a lot of early comparisons between Sissoko and Toure. Perhaps we're not playing to our strengths if we rigidly stick to a 2 and 3 in MFD. If there is a formation to enable Wijnaldum and Sissoko to safely roam (ie without leaving us too exposed) I'm sure SMc will know it. Can't see many teams living with the two of them in full flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It's the insistence of the two-man defensive unit which is frustrating seeing as he doesn't actually offer much protection. There are other systems which would be a better use of personnel. GK DF DF DF DF Anita Sissoko Gini Perez Cisse Mitro GK DF DF DF DF Sissoko Anita Arrons Gini De Jong Striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I have absolutely zero confidence in playing Anita in that role, the only one protecting the back four. Suicidal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 i suppose his insistence on the 2 *dm's* is from an acknowledgement that the CB pairing is new and that one of them might well be completely finished at this level so he's looking to protect them what i think he's failing to see, if that is the case, is that especially with the signing of mbemba they're not too bad on the ground and at reading the game coming through the middle, so having 2 dwarves in there isn't helping, what they arguably need is a 6ft+ DM who can slot in alongside them to fend off every type of cross or high ball that's put into the box if we had one of those we could simply go 4-1-4-1 of sorts, not sure how best to write that formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 To me, Wijnaldum is going to be at his best running ahead of a fixed 10 and/or arriving in the box late. He's going to be marked even tighter after the weekend, now, so we need to get plenty of bodies around him to give him space. He's too good a footballer to leave too far up the pitch, imo, need him dominating games for us and linking play. I haven't watched most of PSV's games from last year but from the little I have seen of GW from bits and pieces for PSV, Holland, the game Sunday and pre-season. I agree with this and what Mole is saying. 4-2-3-1/4-3-3/4-5-1? If we were a bit more fluid and changeable in the way we play and nowhere near as rigid as we were under Pardew. Then surely it's going to be any of those aforementioned formations and some point or other? Does it really have to be 2 out and out DM, holding types in this ever so popular, new-fangled, FM fanboy favourite, 4-2-3-1? Gini looks tailor made to play centre mid and get into the box late. He has pace and drive and seems composed enough on the ball. We could actually use him to get on the ball earlier and start attacks. As oppose to Anita and Colback just passing it sideways to other people and then standing back all like "my work here is done". I don't think his fitness is going to be an issue either. He missed some of pre season by the sounds of things and half our team looked dead on their feet towards the end of the game on Sunday. So it's not as if he is alone in looking a bit gassed. New to the league as well. Also, on top of that, McClaren has spoken at length about us being behind where we need to be in terms of fitness and how bad the pre season schedule was. So hopefully all their fitness levels start to improve as the season goes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. i'm fairly confident at this stage that colback wouldn't be "great" in any system Absolutely this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. i'm fairly confident at this stage that colback wouldn't be "great" in any system Absolutely this. Turns out they weren't on about Colback mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He'd be great in a genuine midfield 3 with reasonably fluid positioning, but we seem to like the 4-2-3-1 where it's a two man defensive midfield and a no 10 who does the attacking. The former shouldn't mean exposing defense with 1 defending mid and 2 attacking, it should mean there's always 2 players to pass to to get out of pressure and gives us more attacking threat. I wonder if Wijnaldum will drop back a bit and take Colback's place if De Jong comes to be fully fit and lives up to his reputation. i'm fairly confident at this stage that colback wouldn't be "great" in any system Absolutely this. Turns out they weren't on about Colback mind Thought it looked weird! Ah well, any opportunity to bash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The good thing is we'll be able to have this discussion after every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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