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relámpago blanco

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He could have and should have been a great player for us. To have his level of talent and for that to be the case, tells its own story.

He'd have been a class act under Keegan or Bobby.  Some managers struggle to get it out of players with attitude problems, some don't.  If anyone had a problem with him Keegan would have just said he'll win us games on his own and told the other players to get on with it if they had a problem with him.  Pardew doesn't give a shit if you have talent or not as long as you run around alot, turn up for training on time and never question him.

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He could have and should have been a great player for us. To have his level of talent and for that to be the case, tells its own story.

 

Tbh, the talent he's got he should never have ended up at a newly promoted club at 23-24 in the first place anyway. Should have been one of the best in Europe on a yearly basis in the Champions League strutting his stuff.

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Would love to know, at some point, the process in which Carr got through to his agent, convinced him to want to join us, and then the whole saga afterwards. My take is that Chris Hughton was such a good bloke, he wanted to be here even more. Pardew, the charlatan that he is, talked up a good enough game to make Hatem believe he'd be first name on the team sheet.

 

So putting 2 & 2 together, Carr probably did his normal pitch, Hughton convinced him to join us, he relished playing for 52k mad Newcastle supporters, gets hurt, gets OVERWHELMING LOVE from Newcastle supporters, gets basically a life-long connection/affection for Us, Hughton is sacked, Pardew comes in and the sneaky salesman convinces him that he wants to sign him long-term, even with his injury (makes HBA happy), spouts the normal shit about how wonderful the fans are here, and says he'll build the team around him or let him get back to what he does best. No sense that every time Hatem came on and did the business, Pardew was happy, and when he didn't/got hurt/forced Pardew to make changes, he was being punished for it; and eventually made the scapegoat.

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Working out well for Bruce. Top decision.

Any Geordie at the time if a Premier League manager would have jumped at the chance.  If you'd been hull manager would you have turned down the chance to have him?

Oh not in a million years. I would have snapped him up.

I was thinking more though of the decision to not play him now he has him. (I'm assuming he is not injured tonight)

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Would love to know, at some point, the process in which Carr got through to his agent, convinced him to want to join us, and then the whole saga afterwards. My take is that Chris Hughton was such a good bloke, he wanted to be here even more. Pardew, the charlatan that he is, talked up a good enough game to make Hatem believe he'd be first name on the team sheet.

 

So putting 2 & 2 together, Carr probably did his normal pitch, Hughton convinced him to join us, he relished playing for 52k mad Newcastle supporters, gets hurt, gets OVERWHELMING LOVE from Newcastle supporters, gets basically a life-long connection/affection for Us, Hughton is sacked, Pardew comes in and the sneaky salesman convinces him that he wants to sign him long-term, even with his injury (makes HBA happy), spouts the normal s*** about how wonderful the fans are here, and says he'll build the team around him or let him get back to what he does best. No sense that every time Hatem came on and did the business, Pardew was happy, and when he didn't/got hurt/forced Pardew to make changes, he was being punished for it; and eventually made the scapegoat.

 

Yeah, but why's he been dropped tonight?  :lol:

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Sadly, it looks like he doesn't have it in him to be the professional he needs to be and you have to ask how much he actually loves being a footballer. There's no doubt he loves doing the entertaining but if that's it he'll end up in the Middle East.

 

Hauled off after 30 mins or so at he weekend and looking at the Hull forums there's a lot of unhappy punters with both him and Brucie.

 

Nightmare move.

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relámpago blanco

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Working out well for Bruce. Top decision.

Any Geordie at the time if a Premier League manager would have jumped at the chance.  If you'd been hull manager would you have turned down the chance to have him?

Oh not in a million years. I would have snapped him up.

I was thinking more though of the decision to not play him now he has him. (I'm assuming he is not injured tonight)

Yeah but Steve Bruce is not exactly an outstanding manager.  He's done alright but mainly due to luck imo.  To be fair to them all there is probably alot that goes on that people don't know about.

 

When I was young I was a blinding programmer but a lazy piss taking bastard.  I had the right/ maybe wrong manager at the time and he used to let me get away with murder (coming in at 9:30 and leaving at 3:30 some days) but I was the best they had and I'd still deliver way more than anyone else anyway even those who worked 12 hour days.  I had to grow up though as I got older and more senior as you can get away with things when you are young if you deliver great results but as you get older people won't tolerate it anymore as you should know better this may be the issue with Hatem.

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I'm sorry but Chris Hughton convincing Hatem Ben Arfa to join a newly promoted NE team is about as believable as me convincing Kelly Brook to come to my house and scrub the bathroom.

 

Pretty sure I read an article when he signed that he actually talked to Chris and liked that he was such a sensible, nice, and down to earth man. But fair enough dude, :lol:

 

 

Yeah, but why's he been dropped tonight?  :lol:

 

All my post was about was just thinking out loud...like how in the fuck did we get this mad bastard to not turn up to training, go on strike, arrive at the airport and all that. Just sounds ludicrous and probably a decent/fascinating story. An inside on the deal, basically.

 

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He's not any sort of target. I love watching him play and I'd certainly prefer him to be starting for NUFC than the rubbish actually in the side. Just pointing out the huge contrast between his situation and his (at one time vaguely realistic) stated ambition.

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Bit of a joke, like. He's 9 years younger and more naturally talented than Frank Lampard. Look at where their respective careers are now. That's the difference having a set of balls makes.

 

It's more this sort of thing I'm on about, I've never seen a lack of balls (whatever the fuck that means) cited before now, I'd wager it's generally always been Pardew's fault for not picking him previously but now seems a good time for you to jump on his back and claim you were always right.

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