Stuy_O Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Shearer would fall out with players far to frequently. Souness-esque if I were to be harsh. Not cut out for what management requires imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I don't really see any reason that Shearer would make a good manager. He's not charismatic, he hasn't achieved that much in terms of honours and from his MOTD appearances he doesn't know a great deal about football either. I love him and he's a legend, but still. Are you trying to say he'd get no respect from players because he hasn't won many trophies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I truly believe that had Ashley given Shearer the job after relegation we would be in a better position now, as much as I think Hughton did a good job. A season in the Championship with a side way too good for that league and pulling together could have been the making of him as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I don't really see any reason that Shearer would make a good manager. He's not charismatic, he hasn't achieved that much in terms of honours and from his MOTD appearances he doesn't know a great deal about football either. I love him and he's a legend, but still. Are you trying to say he'd get no respect from players because he hasn't won many trophies? Not in those words, no, but he hardly has experience of being part of many high-achieving teams. TBF I always forget that he won the league with Blackburn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I truly believe that had Ashley given Shearer the job after relegation we would be in a better position now, as much as I think Hughton did a good job. A season in the Championship with a side way too good for that league and pulling together could have been the making of him as a manager. Maybe, but Shearer insisted he needed a large transfer budget to get us back up. He had no faith in that crop of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Is it a pre-requisite now to be intelligent to be a manager? Rubbish. He's no less intelligent than the rest of them. Is this post serious? I'd like to think you've got more about you than posting daft nonsense like this, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 This cunt been sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I truly believe that had Ashley given Shearer the job after relegation we would be in a better position now, as much as I think Hughton did a good job. A season in the Championship with a side way too good for that league and pulling together could have been the making of him as a manager. I think you're underestimating the job Hughton did that season. The mood was so bad after the relegation season that we could have easily spent a few more years in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not sure why you would judge a manager by their MOTD punditry - it's a hardly the right forum for indepth tactical analysis and has never been presented as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Is it a pre-requisite now to be intelligent to be a manager? Rubbish. He's no less intelligent than the rest of them. Is this post serious? I'd like to think you've got more about you than posting daft nonsense like this, man. I'm merely pointing out that shearer's intelligence is not a quantifiable factor in whether he'd be a good manager, which you alluded to in your post. That aside it's hardly a Mensa meeting as it is in football, I don't think he's markedly stupider than the vast majority Compared to Gary Megson, fair enough. Compared to someone I'd want managing us, forget it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not sure why you would judge a manager by their MOTD punditry - it's a hardly the right forum for indepth tactical analysis and has never been presented as such. Nobody is, per se. What would you judge them on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I truly believe that had Ashley given Shearer the job after relegation we would be in a better position now, as much as I think Hughton did a good job. A season in the Championship with a side way too good for that league and pulling together could have been the making of him as a manager. Maybe, but Shearer insisted he needed a large transfer budget to get us back up. He had no faith in that crop of players. Shame really as it was a good opportunity for him to prove himself in the championsship with a half decent squad. Most footballers have to earn their spurs in the lower leagues to earn a shot at that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I truly believe that had Ashley given Shearer the job after relegation we would be in a better position now, as much as I think Hughton did a good job. A season in the Championship with a side way too good for that league and pulling together could have been the making of him as a manager. Maybe, but Shearer insisted he needed a large transfer budget to get us back up. He had no faith in that crop of players. That's one of the reasons we'd have been better off; Shearer wouldn't have stood for this penny pinching. Also the probable reason why he didn't get the job like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The problem with the "can't judge managerial ability on 8 games" view is that whilst the point itself is obviously correct, it is also used to absolve Shearer of any decisions he might have made which were questionable. For me, Shearer dropping Jonas for Guthrie out wide was a big one that set off alarm bells - I realise Jonas has never been the most popular of players and he has always been seriously flawed, but at the time Jonas was a tad more attacking than what he eventually turned into under Pardew and was genuinely the only outfield player actually doing anything with the ball (dribbling, winning free kicks/corners, carrying the ball forward, etc) whilst the rest were hiding. In my eyes it was a ridiculous "scapegoating" decision especially given how slow/average Guthrie was anyway (and a central midfielder to boot) and the fact that he had never shown anything that suggested he'd contribute anything on the wing. It's a decision that bears the hallmarks of the likes of Souness/Pardew, i.e. if things aren't going well blame it on the flaws of one of the few technical players in your team, ignore what they bring to the side, stick some graft in there instead. Meanwhile Damien Duff on the other flank continued to play with impunity despite being possibly the worst culprit when it came to hiding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Had that cunt Owen and Martins put their chances away, had Viduka's goal that was wrongly disallowed stood, things right now might be a bit different. FWIW, I don't think Shearer wants to be manager; I think he only wants to be the Newcastle manager. (During his press conference he was asked if he would have done this for anyone else (take a managerial job), he said no.) Shearer was also popular with the players, hardly something Sounessesque. (Did he fall out with Martins when he chickened out against Stoke?) If Shearer was really into "scapegoating", was he trying to do the same with his then mate Owen? Or did he drop him because he was shit? I think his tactical awareness wasn't too bad, at least he had the "brains" to try and come-up with a formula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not sure why you would judge a manager by their MOTD punditry - it's a hardly the right forum for indepth tactical analysis and has never been presented as such. Nobody is, per se. What would you judge them on? There isn't anything really until they have had a decent crack at managing a team (which lasts more than 8 games). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 His first move was to appoint Ian Dowie as assistant, a man famous for being ugly and shit. It was never going to end well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think his tactical awareness wasn't too bad, at least he had the "brains" to try and come-up with a formula. A formula that had us failing to score in 6 games out of 8 with largely the same squad that Keegan had scoring 4 away at Spurs, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think his tactical awareness wasn't too bad, at least he had the "brains" to try and come-up with a formula. A formula that had us failing to score in 6 games out of 8 with largely the same squad that Keegan had scoring 4 away at Spurs, like. Yeah, and it was "largely the same squad" that took KK around 8 games to get going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I personally don't blame Shearer for any of that mess. I mean, it would have been nice for him to have gotten a reaction and improvement from the players given who he is, but 8 games is ridiculous as a basis for judgement on whether someone would have a good career in management. In fact, it irritates me when people (non Newcastle fans), say Shearer took us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I personally don't blame Shearer for any of that mess. I mean, it would have been nice for him to have gotten a reaction and improvement from the players given who he is, but 8 games is ridiculous as a basis for judgement on whether someone would have a good career in management. In fact, it irritates me when people (non Newcastle fans), say Shearer took us down. I agree to an extent but that last game at Villa, the second half was the worst i've seen from a team that needed a point to stay up. Shearer couldn't get them up for a game like that. I guess it how you judge it, the rot had set in way before Shearer took over, but that half time teamtalk at Villa, god knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I personally don't blame Shearer for any of that mess. I mean, it would have been nice for him to have gotten a reaction and improvement from the players given who he is, but 8 games is ridiculous as a basis for judgement on whether someone would have a good career in management. In fact, it irritates me when people (non Newcastle fans), say Shearer took us down. I agree to an extent but that last game at Villa, the second half was the worst i've seen from a team that needed a point to stay up. Shearer couldn't get them up for a game like that. I guess it how you judge it, the rot had set in way before Shearer took over, but that half time teamtalk at Villa, god knows. Aye, as I say, I'd have liked to have seen him get more from them and I guess you can only judge on what you have seen, but to completely write him off as well as pin a large chunk of the blame on him is unfair IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I personally don't blame Shearer for any of that mess. I mean, it would have been nice for him to have gotten a reaction and improvement from the players given who he is, but 8 games is ridiculous as a basis for judgement on whether someone would have a good career in management. In fact, it irritates me when people (non Newcastle fans), say Shearer took us down. I agree to an extent but that last game at Villa, the second half was the worst i've seen from a team that needed a point to stay up. Shearer couldn't get them up for a game like that. I guess it how you judge it, the rot had set in way before Shearer took over, but that half time teamtalk at Villa, god knows. Aye, as I say, I'd have liked to have seen him get more from them and I guess you can only judge on what you have seen, but to completely write him off as well as pin a large chunk of the blame on him is unfair IMO. Alarm bells went off for me straight away when he looked at the squad and thought three at the back was a good idea, i think the fact he hasn't gone on to manage again might tell you, that he may have realised it's not for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think his tactical awareness wasn't too bad, at least he had the "brains" to try and come-up with a formula. A formula that had us failing to score in 6 games out of 8 with largely the same squad that Keegan had scoring 4 away at Spurs, like. Yeah, and it was "largely the same squad" that took KK around 8 games to get going. Come on, man. 6 games out of 8 with no goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winn Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Cabaye stating would be a big mistake to get rid of HBA. Stating the obvious for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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