DJ_NUFC Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Not really sure where this guarantee of De Jong starting over Perez is coming from on this board, seen it mention a few times. Is it more a case of you don't think McLaren prefers the latter over the former in that position, or do people actually think De Jong warrants a place over Perez? I frankly don't care at the moment where we play the kid, but Ayoze needs to be starting. Having said that, let's hope, as someone mentioned above, we don't Pardew him by playing in some terrible positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Pretty sure McClaren said De Jong was the best player in the Dutch league when he was there. Plus Perez has played largely as a sub through preseason, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm not convinced by De Jong yet, I think over the course of a season Perez would create and score more playing number 10. I'd be OK if Perez is playing out wide with De Jong at 10 but if he's benched I'm going to be furious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I can see De Jong becoming a hate figure through no fault of his own if he's in the team ahead of Perez. Harsh as fuck tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yeah, that would be ridiculous seeing as de Jong is a much better option than Perez behind the striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yeah, that would be ridiculous seeing as de Jong is a much better option than Perez behind the striker. Not sure about that like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wijnaldum looks nailed on to play behind striker to me. Then Sissoko and one other out wide. Can't see where de Jong plays. Perez looks like being first sub. Though i'd play him either side and bin Sissoko, which wont happen. We've seen nothing in pre season to suggest Wijnaldum will play in the two with De Jong off the striker. It looked pretty good in the last 20 minutes yesterday but all signs point to Anita and Colback with Wijnaldum in front of them. Pretty worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Anita and Colback shield enabled us to control the tempo of the game yesterday. That's what we'll need against Southampton. It's up to the front 4 to work on their attacking more than dropping an attacking player into the midfield 2. Wijnaldum dropping deeper would be a good option to have if we were chasing the game in the second half, but I wouldn't start that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Love Perez like everyone else does, but to say he should be starting as a no 10 of De Jong is a bit mental to me. I want to see him play as much as possible, but De Jong is a class act, we haven't seen it in a Newcastle shirt yet granted, but that doesn't change how good he is. I'd also prefer to see Perez either wide of a 3 or right up next to a bigger stronger striker as a 2 before in the no 10 role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wijnaldum looks nailed on to play behind striker to me. Then Sissoko and one other out wide. Can't see where de Jong plays. Perez looks like being first sub. Though i'd play him either side and bin Sissoko, which wont happen. We've seen nothing in pre season to suggest Wijnaldum will play in the two with De Jong off the striker. It looked pretty good in the last 20 minutes yesterday but all signs point to Anita and Colback with Wijnaldum in front of them. Pretty worrying. I think we'll see it. It's probably not happened because he's been uber/overly cautious with fitness. It might not be the case next week but I'd imagine Wijnaldum will be playing CM after a few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wijnaldum looks nailed on to play behind striker to me. Then Sissoko and one other out wide. Can't see where de Jong plays. Perez looks like being first sub. Though i'd play him either side and bin Sissoko, which wont happen. We've seen nothing in pre season to suggest... ...anything. Which has its positives and negatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The fact that people are questioning whether Perez should start next week simply shows that whilst we have spent money we haven't addressed the real problem areas. Perez is a star in the making if he's handled correctly. I'm not sure McClaren will start him yet we'll put out a defense that has glaring holes in it and will possibly play 2 midfielders in Colback and Anita in sitting positions both of who aren't good enough and at the expense of far better players who McClaren can't fit into the team be because of the weaknesses in other areas. I've tried picking a team for next week and can't see how Perez can play if Mitrovic plays unless De Jong doesn't start. You could put Perez out wider but that's not his position. When they sat down and identified where they needed strengthening and who to target they must have been on the lash. Where's the left back and other centre half we need? Get that sorted and some of the precaution McClaren's selections currently need will go away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The fact that people are questioning whether Perez should start next week simply shows that whilst we have spent money we haven't addressed the real problem areas. Perez is a star in the making if he's handled correctly. I'm not sure McClaren will start him yet we'll put out a defense that has glaring holes in it and will possibly play 2 midfielders in Colback and Anita in sitting positions both of who aren't good enough and at the expense of far better players who McClaren can't fit into the team be because of the weaknesses in other areas. I've tried picking a team for next week and can't see how Perez can play if Mitrovic plays unless De Jong doesn't start. You could put Perez out wider but that's not his position. When they sat down and identified where they needed strengthening and who to target they must have been on the lash. Where's the left back and other centre half we need? Get that sorted and some of the precaution McClaren's selections currently need will go away. We'll see a lot less of people like Gouffran & Obertan this season so we've improved straight away. We're no longer a couple of injuries from a shite forward line, we have a bit of depth and decent options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Didn't Perez play out wide a lot in his breakthrough season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The fact that people are questioning whether Perez should start next week simply shows that whilst we have spent money we haven't addressed the real problem areas. Perez is a star in the making if he's handled correctly. I'm not sure McClaren will start him yet we'll put out a defense that has glaring holes in it and will possibly play 2 midfielders in Colback and Anita in sitting positions both of who aren't good enough and at the expense of far better players who McClaren can't fit into the team be because of the weaknesses in other areas. I've tried picking a team for next week and can't see how Perez can play if Mitrovic plays unless De Jong doesn't start. You could put Perez out wider but that's not his position. When they sat down and identified where they needed strengthening and who to target they must have been on the lash. Where's the left back and other centre half we need? Get that sorted and some of the precaution McClaren's selections currently need will go away. We'll see a lot less of people like Gouffran & Obertan this season so we've improved straight away. We're no longer a couple of injuries from a shite forward line, we have a bit of depth and decent options. Based on what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Anita and Colback shield enabled us to control the tempo of the game yesterday. That's what we'll need against Southampton. It's up to the front 4 to work on their attacking more than dropping an attacking player into the midfield 2. Wijnaldum dropping deeper would be a good option to have if we were chasing the game in the second half, but I wouldn't start that way. If anita and colback start together as the defensive midfielders then our team automatically becomes pedestrian, I would much rather have colback and wijnaldum as the defensive pivots with sissoko, perez/dejong, aarons in front of them. Colback and anita together are just too ordinary ... Personally, I would like to see ayoze ahead of dejong as he is so lively, bring dejong on later to kill off and control matches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The fact that people are questioning whether Perez should start next week simply shows that whilst we have spent money we haven't addressed the real problem areas. Perez is a star in the making if he's handled correctly. I'm not sure McClaren will start him yet we'll put out a defense that has glaring holes in it and will possibly play 2 midfielders in Colback and Anita in sitting positions both of who aren't good enough and at the expense of far better players who McClaren can't fit into the team be because of the weaknesses in other areas. I've tried picking a team for next week and can't see how Perez can play if Mitrovic plays unless De Jong doesn't start. You could put Perez out wider but that's not his position. When they sat down and identified where they needed strengthening and who to target they must have been on the lash. Where's the left back and other centre half we need? Get that sorted and some of the precaution McClaren's selections currently need will go away. We'll see a lot less of people like Gouffran & Obertan this season so we've improved straight away. We're no longer a couple of injuries from a s**** forward line, we have a bit of depth and decent options. Based on what? On the fact we have better options now. A fully-fit Aarons & De Jong alone pushes them down two pegs, that's before Wijnaldum & Mitrovic are considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Didn't Perez play out wide a lot in his breakthrough season? He hasn't got the pace to be really effective out wide, he's best just off the front man and that causes selection problems. If we do put him out wide we'll ruin him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The fact that people are questioning whether Perez should start next week simply shows that whilst we have spent money we haven't addressed the real problem areas. Perez is a star in the making if he's handled correctly. I'm not sure McClaren will start him yet we'll put out a defense that has glaring holes in it and will possibly play 2 midfielders in Colback and Anita in sitting positions both of who aren't good enough and at the expense of far better players who McClaren can't fit into the team be because of the weaknesses in other areas. I've tried picking a team for next week and can't see how Perez can play if Mitrovic plays unless De Jong doesn't start. You could put Perez out wider but that's not his position. When they sat down and identified where they needed strengthening and who to target they must have been on the lash. Where's the left back and other centre half we need? Get that sorted and some of the precaution McClaren's selections currently need will go away. We'll see a lot less of people like Gouffran & Obertan this season so we've improved straight away. We're no longer a couple of injuries from a s**** forward line, we have a bit of depth and decent options. Based on what? On the fact we have better options now. A fully-fit Aarons & De Jong alone pushes them down two pegs, that's before Wijnaldum & Mitrovic are considered. Can hardly give McClaren/the club credit for existing players becoming uninjured though. That's not 'addressing the real problem areas' as Tsunami mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Disagree. We've signed players that push them down two spots in the pecking order. That to me suggests he doesn't see people like Gouffran as starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yesterday Obertan ranged from the sublime to the ridiculous, the guy is so inconsistent that he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. That said, most of our problems came from the fact our final ball was rubbish yesterday, or our fullbacks just decided to play the easy back pass once they had gotten into advanced positions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wijnaldum looks nailed on to play behind striker to me. Then Sissoko and one other out wide. Can't see where de Jong plays. Perez looks like being first sub. Though i'd play him either side and bin Sissoko, which wont happen. Wijnaldum was miles better when he went to CM, hope he's nowhere the AM position at any stage tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yesterday Obertan ranged from the sublime to the ridiculous, the guy is so inconsistent that he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. That said, most of our problems came from the fact our final ball was rubbish yesterday, or our fullbacks just decided to play the easy back pass once they had gotten into advanced positions... I wouldn't call him inconsistent, his good spells are far too infrequent for him to be labelled as anything other than grade A shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Obertan isn't even that bad, much better than someone like Cabella for instance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yesterday Obertan ranged from the sublime to the ridiculous, the guy is so inconsistent that he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. That said, most of our problems came from the fact our final ball was rubbish yesterday, or our fullbacks just decided to play the easy back pass once they had gotten into advanced positions... I wouldn't call him inconsistent, his good spells are far too infrequent for him to be labelled as anything other than grade A shite. Wum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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