Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Obertan. Case closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Obertan. Case closed. Obertan is not going to start, is he? Perez is ahead of Aarons imo, as I believe he could play anywhere in a front four. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Obertan. Case closed. Obertan is not going to start, is he? Perez is ahead of Aarons imo, as I believe he could play anywhere in a front four. ? Southampton (h) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Swansea City (a) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Manchester United (a) Krul Mbemba Coloccini Taylor Haidara Colback Anita Wijnaldum Obertan Perez Mitrovic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Just to add - we are talking about a 19 year old who has only played 5 competitive games for us, he's never been out on loan or played competitive football on a regular basis. He was out injured for a majority of last season, of course he needs to play regularly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Obertan. Case closed. Obertan is not going to start, is he? Perez is ahead of Aarons imo, as I believe he could play anywhere in a front four. ? Southampton (h) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Swansea City (a) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Manchester United (a) Krul Mbemba Coloccini Taylor Haidara Colback Anita Wijnaldum Obertan Perez Mitrovic "is not GOING to start" Thauvin is clearly ahead of Obertan, that argument is daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Just to add - we are talking about a 19 year old who has only played 5 competitive games for us, he's never been out on loan or played competitive football on a regular basis. He was out injured for a majority of last season, of course he needs to play regularly! Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd send him on loan to a decent Championship team, where he will play every week. Getting kicked by the s*** teams in the Championship will toughen him up a bit and the confidence gained from playing in a good team/doing well will also. Dafuq did I just read? Why not? What will he achieve sitting on our bench and not playing regularly? I'm a firm believer that players need to play football to progress (ie, Armstrong). He's not good enough to start atm, so he will be limited to 20 minutes here and there. If we are keeping him long term, he will come back a better player - if we are going to sell him, then of course there is no point. Obertan. Case closed. Obertan is not going to start, is he? Perez is ahead of Aarons imo, as I believe he could play anywhere in a front four. ? Southampton (h) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Swansea City (a) Krul Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara Anita Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum Obertan Cisse Manchester United (a) Krul Mbemba Coloccini Taylor Haidara Colback Anita Wijnaldum Obertan Perez Mitrovic "is not GOING to start" Thauvin is clearly ahead of Obertan, that argument is daft. Past evidence is "daft?" I hope you're right, of course, but I was pointing towards the last 3 games where Aarons should've started over Obertan. Heck, Aarons' grandmother should've started over the alien. I just don't think we should be loaning out someone who saved Pardew's fucking ass twice last season, enough for Pardew to injure the lad further by throwing him into the deep end when he wasn't even fully fit. If even Pardew can see this lad needs to be on the pitch for a bit o'majick, we need him starting ahead of the alien. Not loaned out to a division we know he will just waste his year in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Thauvin and Perez are both ahead of Obertan. If you are saying Obertan is ahead of Aarons, then that makes Aarons 4th choice - even less playing time and even more reason to send him out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Aarons will break his way into the side on a regular basis if he stays fit imo. His end product is too good to be ignored, assuming his performances so far are representative of his ability and not a fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Aarons is not going to start competitively for us all season, so we're gonna stick a 19 year old on the bench all season. Yet, you think he'll get nothing out of playing regularly in the Championship? Playing in a team that will do well in the Championship will do him the absolute world of good. Or even, send him on loan to someone like Bournemouth! Where he will be guaranteed a start! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Look at Kevin De Bruyne, never played at Chelsea... Plays one full season at Wolfsburg - now look at him. Players need to play to excel. Whether we send him on loan to the Championship, Italy, Spain, Finland... the lad needs to play every week to succeed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Nobody's discussing the merits and value of a season's loan for any given player. We're saying an absolute numpty (Obertan) has been given more time this season than letting Aarons develop as a player. If you want to look at how to blood young players into the fast pace of the top flight, see Wenger, Rodgers, and you'll see what I'm talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 We can do short-term loans after the window can't we? Even 4 weeks at someone like Boro or something with a recall option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Send him on loan when he has a year left of his contract? That'll make him want to re-sign I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Because he's played hardly any football at all and could do with games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 And I love the De Bruyne comparison Right, our squad is overflowing with millions of pounds of talent on the bench that we can do with Aarons pissing away a year in the Championship. We can barely put out a fucking decent 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Send him on loan when he has a year left of his contract? That'll make him want to re-sign I'm sure. 2 years fwiw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Send him on loan when he has a year left of his contract? That'll make him want to re-sign I'm sure. As opposed to sitting on the bench only playing 20 minutes here and there when we are 3-0 down away at Chelsea... or away at Scunthorpe in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Aarons is not going to start competitively for us all season, so we're gonna stick a 19 year old on the bench all season. Yet, you think he'll get nothing out of playing regularly in the Championship? Playing in a team that will do well in the Championship will do him the absolute world of good. Or even, send him on loan to someone like Bournemouth! Where he will be guaranteed a start! Won't be guaranteed a start at Bournemouth, he's not going to be ahead of Gradel or Ritchie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Nobody's discussing the merits and value of a season's loan for any given player. We're saying an absolute numpty (Obertan) has been given more time this season than letting Aarons develop as a player. If you want to look at how to blood young players into the fast pace of the top flight, see Wenger, Rodgers, and you'll see what I'm talking about. But that is not the argument, the argument is not about Obertan. Fact is, Aarons will not start for us this season - whether it is Obertan, Thauvin, Gareth Bale or the Queen in the team in front of him. McClaren has stated this in numerous interviews. Therefore the only practical and sensible solution to allow Aarons to develop is to send him out on loan to play football. He is not going to develop playing off the bench in shit games he needs full matches of competitive football. As has been said on this forum before, people get far too excited over players far too early. He is 19, he has played 5 competitive fixtures for us. He is not our best player and should not be starting week-in-week-out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Send him on loan when he has a year left of his contract? That'll make him want to re-sign I'm sure. 2 years fwiw That's not what ol' tmarkt says... http://www.transfermarkt.com/rolando-aarons/profil/spieler/258188 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 its because its one year with an option for us to extend by another that there's confusion over it i believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Aye well I'm assuming there's no proof of that, so I'm sticking with 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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