Crystal Palace manager

[Wallace]

I'm a born and bred Londoner  I said 'most' and I certainly stick by that- there's no way most Spurs fans travel from across the South to watch home games, most are from the N London area. Unfortunately I know and am friends with plenty of 'Yiddos' and have even done the matchday walk from Wood Green on many occasions.  Yes there are plenty of fans that live miles away (like all clubs), especially those from the 'white flight' phenomenon that live in Essex, M Keynes, East Anglia, Sussex, Surrey etc but they don't make up the majority of home fans whatsoever.

 

To think NUFC is a special case is a bit naive IMO, and I certainly wouldn't agree that we have fervent support anymore.

 

I'd say our support is still fervent to the extent that it's very much part of the weekly routine, discussed everywhere at length including by old grannys in the street and people still turn up in their tens of thousands to watch a team that's got f*** all chance of achieving anything under the current owner.

 

It might not be vocal but that's because they've got nothing to shout positively about. Easier to sit tight and do their 'duty' and then meet their mates in the pub afterwards before walking into the town to get lashed. The s*** football was a minor inconvenience during a day/night out.

 

That's totally different to football and football fans in the south/south east imho.

 

Do they love their clubs any less? No. But the demographic is totally different in so much as the 'match' isn't woven into all elements of society in the way in the way it is in the NE, including Sunderland.

 

 

I think there is a common misconception when pundits etc refer to our "fanatical" support and other fans take exception to that label.  As you say, it is not that we as individuals love the club more but it is the intensity and fervour created when virtually every one in this city supports one team.  Whether people like football or not, they are still aware of everything that is going on related to NUFC and it will probably affect their lives in some way whether they personally like football or not.  (I remember years ago, a girlfriend of my brother who was not interested in football would always check the score before deciding whether to come around on a Saturday night because if we lost, my Dad would be in a bad mood).

 

I like it when you overhear conversations in a shop talking about the football and you know they are talking about Newcastle or when an old lady will come up to you after a match and ask how "the lads" got on as will all the shop assistants.  No need to ask "which team".  That doesn't happen elsewhere.  When I worked in London, everyone in the office interested in football supported a different team.  That meant that the limited football conversation was very different from up here where so much of it is based around NUFC.  I would say that during every conversation I have with an acquaintance up here, there will be a point when the latest goings on at Newcastle will be brought up.

 

When the team does well, local businesses benefit from that and productivity improves.  On a Saturday night if the team has played well, there will be a great vibe in town and people stay out and drink longer whereas if it is another defeat, people tend to go straight home.

 

This is why it is different up here.  Do I support Newcastle more than another club's supporter?  No.  But having lived all over the country including cities like Manchester and London, I have never experienced anything like how the performance of a football team affects the rhythm of a city and the people that live in it as much as Newcastle United does.

[Minhosa]

I'm a born and bred Londoner  I said 'most' and I certainly stick by that- there's no way most Spurs fans travel from across the South to watch home games, most are from the N London area. Unfortunately I know and am friends with plenty of 'Yiddos' and have even done the matchday walk from Wood Green on many occasions.  Yes there are plenty of fans that live miles away (like all clubs), especially those from the 'white flight' phenomenon that live in Essex, M Keynes, East Anglia, Sussex, Surrey etc but they don't make up the majority of home fans whatsoever.

 

To think NUFC is a special case is a bit naive IMO, and I certainly wouldn't agree that we have fervent support anymore.

 

I'd say our support is still fervent to the extent that it's very much part of the weekly routine, discussed everywhere at length including by old grannys in the street and people still turn up in their tens of thousands to watch a team that's got f*** all chance of achieving anything under the current owner.

 

It might not be vocal but that's because they've got nothing to shout positively about. Easier to sit tight and do their 'duty' and then meet their mates in the pub afterwards before walking into the town to get lashed. The s*** football was a minor inconvenience during a day/night out.

 

That's totally different to football and football fans in the south/south east imho.

 

Do they love their clubs any less? No. But the demographic is totally different in so much as the 'match' isn't woven into all elements of society in the way in the way it is in the NE, including Sunderland.

 

 

I think there is a common misconception when pundits etc refer to our "fanatical" support and other fans take exception to that label.  As you say, it is not that we as individuals love the club more but it is the intensity and fervour created when virtually every one in this city supports one team.  Whether people like football or not, they are still aware of everything that is going on related to NUFC and it will probably affect their lives in some way whether they personally like football or not.  (I remember years ago, a girlfriend of my brother who was not interested in football would always check the score before deciding whether to come around on a Saturday night because if we lost, my Dad would be in a bad mood).

 

I like it when you overhear conversations in a shop talking about the football and you know they are talking about Newcastle or when an old lady will come up to you after a match and ask how "the lads" got on as will all the shop assistants.  No need to ask "which team".  That doesn't happen elsewhere.  When I worked in London, everyone in the office interested in football supported a different team.  That meant that the limited football conversation was very different from up here where so much of it is based around NUFC.  I would say that during every conversation I have with an acquaintance up here, there will be a point when the latest goings on at Newcastle will be brought up.

 

When the team does well, local businesses benefit from that and productivity improves.  On a Saturday night if the team has played well, there will be a great vibe in town and people stay out and drink longer whereas if it is another defeat, people tend to go straight home.

 

This is why it is different up here.  Do I support Newcastle more than another club's supporter?  No.  But having lived all over the country including cities like Manchester and London, I have never experienced anything like how the performance of a football team affects the rhythm of a city and the people that live in it as much as Newcastle United does.

 

Great post Wallace and I totally concur.

 

I've lived all over the UK and abroad but there's no City quite impacted by its football teams performance in respect of its 'vibe'.

 

Under KK, the atmosphere around the place was unbelievable. I mean, literally, unbelievable. I've said it before but we would turn up to games wondering how many goals we'd win by.

 

I remember the days of leaving the ground having drawn with Arsenal or Spurs and being absolutely gutted. I mean, like shocked that some other team could come to what was a fortress and have the audacity to take a share of the points.

 

The evening chronicle was filled with player interviews, as a supporter you could sense the banter between the players, you could watch the players train - the club was as open as you could get, there was a hugely positive feeling everywhere and that transcended itself to the stadium come match day.

 

That's one of the elements of the Ashley reign that fucks me off the most, if he threw less than 2% of his wealth at the club we could be incredible. He could lift a whole region, he could create more wealth, he could immerse himself into the club in the way that he initially wanted to and he could have become a god, genuinely.

[Wullie]

It's like a social experiment into loyalty.  If NUFC under Ashley was your child, you'd have disowned the fucker.

[Wullie]

Good posts Minhosa and Wallace.

 

It annoys me when I see the sort of shit Man City do, the tunnel cam, all that. Their PR is superb. Give people an NUFC to be proud of, a nice shirt and put all that shit on top and you've got a licence to print money. So fucking easy.

[mrmojorisin75]

we should get this thread back to pardew, i just hate that cunt, this other shit is starting to depress me

[Minhosa]

Good posts Minhosa and Wallace.

 

It annoys me when I see the sort of shit Man City do, the tunnel cam, all that. Their PR is superb. Give people an NUFC to be proud of, a nice shirt and put all that shit on top and you've got a licence to print money. So fucking easy.

 

What the owners of City have done is nothing short of superb. They've put down sustainable roots. Their investment outside of the football pitch is something else. Their impact on the community is unreal. They've even put an Etihad call centre inside its own custom built office block just off Manchester Airport. They've built a private hanger etc at Manchester Airport just for their guests.

 

They've created an incredible amount of jobs just through their involvement.

 

On the other hand, our tight bastard, has put more people on the dole than he has created new jobs.

 

How can you miss the point so badly and still expect to control everything about the club. He doesn't own its fucking soul but we've let him think he does. That's shameful when you think about it. We've given up.

[The College Dropout]

Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump.

 

I disagree with that sorry. Most London clubs' fans are from the local areas and will drink/socialise around them (they have a sense of pride for their postcode), hence why we have so many bloody clubs in the big smoke. Spurs fans are a good example actually, they normally come from Tottenham/Wood Green/Barnet/Seven Sisters etc all of which are very close to WHL and with plenty of run down boozers to choose from

 

I live near Selhurst Park - which has a tremendous atmosphere these days but that's mostly down to being grateful for being in the  PL, a small stadium with a section that will sing & make noise no matter the result. Most of the home fans come from within 4 miles of the stadium, i'm certain of that. You won't find many Palace fans from North London.

 

Apart from Arsenal & Chelsea and perhaps to a lesser extent Spurs - most London clubs have very local support primarily. I've never met a Spurs fan who wasn't from North London.

 

I think our problem at NUFC is that we've gone stale as a fanbase. We never got overly excited, we never get too down - except for Derbies. Mission completed Mike.

[ben-nufc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p028zk9f

 

Possibly a giggs but this is unbelievable. How someone can be so stupid I really don't know.

[The College Dropout]

i seriously think it's the "fans of football" thing that's taken hold, football has become ultra-fashionable so having a season ticket and going to the match is the thing to do for a lot of new fans and these are the ones sitting there in silence while we scrape wins against the worst teams in the league

 

combine that with our supafan element and we're basically f***ed

This. This is what I think it is. It's just something to do. For me going to a NUFC game is an event. Now it's just not worth the trip but it's still an event. Sometimes when i'm bored and can find a spare ticket i'll watch Palace at Selhurst Park casually. Never upset, sometimes pretty happy. Often i'm just there to see "the stars" in action. I reckon that's how a lot of the SJP attendees are like these days. I know a few people who have just gotten into football in the least 3 years (as adults) and have bought Arsenal season-tickets.

 

It's just a thing to do these days. Casual fans. Crap atmospheres. It still looks good for Sky having the full stadiums.

 

 

 

[TRon]

Good posts Minhosa and Wallace.

 

It annoys me when I see the sort of shit Man City do, the tunnel cam, all that. Their PR is superb. Give people an NUFC to be proud of, a nice shirt and put all that shit on top and you've got a licence to print money. So fucking easy.

 

What the owners of City have done is nothing short of superb. They've put down sustainable roots. Their investment outside of the football pitch is something else. Their impact on the community is unreal. They've even put an Etihad call centre inside its own custom built office block just off Manchester Airport. They've built a private hanger etc at Manchester Airport just for their guests.

 

They've created an incredible amount of jobs just through their involvement.

 

On the other hand, our tight bastard, has put more people on the dole than he has created new jobs.

 

How can you miss the point so badly and still expect to control everything about the club. He doesn't own its fucking soul but we've let him think he does. That's shameful when you think about it. We've given up.

 

Our owner won't even spend the money we make never mind invest any of his own, but then he's only a billionaire.

[Wullie]

It's not a matter of where they come from but how they'd be spending their Saturdays without the match. They'd be spending it in the city centre on the drink watching football on the TV. For our fans the ground is right there so a great deal think they might as well just go anyway. What other PL fans primary drinking holes on a Saturday night are all within 200 yards of the ground?

 

[mrmojorisin75]

i seriously think it's the "fans of football" thing that's taken hold, football has become ultra-fashionable so having a season ticket and going to the match is the thing to do for a lot of new fans and these are the ones sitting there in silence while we scrape wins against the worst teams in the league

 

combine that with our supafan element and we're basically f***ed

This. This is what I think it is. It's just something to do. For me going to a NUFC game is an event. Now it's just not worth the trip but it's still an event. Sometimes when i'm bored and can find a spare ticket i'll watch Palace at Selhurst Park casually. Never upset, sometimes pretty happy. Often i'm just there to see "the stars" in action. I reckon that's how a lot of the SJP attendees are like these days. I know a few people who have just gotten into football in the least 3 years (as adults) and have bought Arsenal season-tickets.

 

It's just a thing to do these days. Casual fans. Crap atmospheres. It still looks good for Sky having the full stadiums.

 

bingo

[AlanSkÃrare]

It's like a social experiment into loyalty.  If NUFC under Ashley was your child, you'd have disowned the f***er.

 

It's a play on customer loyalty and football supporters. Unconditional love for the brand, not depending on the quality of the product.

[Ndegwa]

Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump.

 

I disagree with that sorry. Most London clubs' fans are from the local areas and will drink/socialise around them (they have a sense of pride for their postcode), hence why we have so many bloody clubs in the big smoke. Spurs fans are a good example actually, they normally come from Tottenham/Wood Green/Barnet/Seven Sisters etc all of which are very close to WHL and with plenty of run down boozers to choose from

 

I live near Selhurst Park - which has a tremendous atmosphere these days but that's mostly down to being grateful for being in the  PL, a small stadium with a section that will sing & make noise no matter the result. Most of the home fans come from within 4 miles of the stadium, i'm certain of that. You won't find many Palace fans from North London.

 

Apart from Arsenal & Chelsea and perhaps to a lesser extent Spurs - most London clubs have very local support primarily. I've never met a Spurs fan who wasn't from North London.

 

I think our problem at NUFC is that we've gone stale as a fanbase. We never got overly excited, we never get too down - except for Derbies. Mission completed Mike.

 

Good post  I used to live in Thornton Heath once upon a time. I agree with what Minhosa said about the atmosphere around the time of KK- it was something else. I was a young boy absolutely fascinated by the city and it's mostly because of the incredible feeling and mentality around the club at the time, it really was unique. In terms of the here and now- I would say Palace fans are more 'fervent' about their club than we are at the moment. I go to Selhurst quite a bit with my Palace supporting mate and I have to say I am routinely jealous of their atmosphere. I don't care if it's one small stand going nuts...it's one more stand than we have. I would class them as having a more unique feeling around the place than Newcastle in 2014.

 

I like it when you overhear conversations in a shop talking about the football and you know they are talking about Newcastle or when an old lady will come up to you after a match and ask how "the lads" got on as will all the shop assistants.  No need to ask "which team".  That doesn't happen elsewhere. When I worked in London, everyone in the office interested in football supported a different team.  That meant that the limited football conversation was very different from up here where so much of it is based around NUFC.  I would say that during every conversation I have with an acquaintance up here, there will be a point when the latest goings on at Newcastle will be brought up.

 

Again sorry but that is absolute rubbish. How could you possibly say that's exclusive to Newcastle? I've been in Leeds, Charlton, Norwich...hell (and I hate to admit this) even Sunderland where a scenario similar to that has occurred. If you work in London and you're in a neutral area (such as central) then of course, people are likely to support different clubs. You'll probably find mostly Liverpool fans even! But if you're in the residential areas, such as Leytonstone, then you'll find most of the locals are Orient fans and are passionate ones to boot who talk about the club with some random guy at the local offie.

 

This is why it is different up here.  Do I support Newcastle more than another club's supporter?  No.  But having lived all over the country including cities like Manchester and London, I have never experienced anything like how the performance of a football team affects the rhythm of a city and the people that live in it as much as Newcastle United does.

 

Fair play. Well I have. I've seen Aston/Perry Barr after a Villa win, the absent mood in Stratford after a West Ham draw... I've seen Bermondsey being torn to shreds after a Millwall loss. I think we're a very special club but just not in this way, other football clubs directly affect their area's mood in largely the same way imo.

[Ndegwa]

Oh yeah...Pardew you're a fucking cunt etc...sorry for hijacking 

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

[TRon]

we should get this thread back to pardew, i just hate that cunt, this other shit is starting to depress me

 

it's all part of the same shit at the end of the day. He's our manager because he'll do Ashley's PR for a pittance. He's not being sacked because Ashley knows he won't find a decent manager to do the same job with no questions asked. The owner at Crystal Palace seems to run Palace along similar lines, the only difference being for a club of their size it's probably more understandable.

[Minhosa]

Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump.

 

I disagree with that sorry. Most London clubs' fans are from the local areas and will drink/socialise around them (they have a sense of pride for their postcode), hence why we have so many bloody clubs in the big smoke. Spurs fans are a good example actually, they normally come from Tottenham/Wood Green/Barnet/Seven Sisters etc all of which are very close to WHL and with plenty of run down boozers to choose from

 

I live near Selhurst Park - which has a tremendous atmosphere these days but that's mostly down to being grateful for being in the  PL, a small stadium with a section that will sing & make noise no matter the result. Most of the home fans come from within 4 miles of the stadium, i'm certain of that. You won't find many Palace fans from North London.

 

Apart from Arsenal & Chelsea and perhaps to a lesser extent Spurs - most London clubs have very local support primarily. I've never met a Spurs fan who wasn't from North London.

 

I think our problem at NUFC is that we've gone stale as a fanbase. We never got overly excited, we never get too down - except for Derbies. Mission completed Mike.

 

Good post  I used to live in Thornton Heath once upon a time. I agree with what Minhosa said about the atmosphere around the time of KK- it was something else. I was a young boy absolutely fascinated by the city and it's mostly because of the incredible feeling and mentality around the club at the time, it really was unique. In terms of the here and now- I would say Palace fans are more 'fervent' about their club than we are at the moment. I go to Selhurst quite a bit with my Palace supporting mate and I have to say I am routinely jealous of their atmosphere. I don't care if it's one small stand going nuts...it's one more stand than we have. I would class them as having a more unique feeling around the place than Newcastle in 2014.

 

I like it when you overhear conversations in a shop talking about the football and you know they are talking about Newcastle or when an old lady will come up to you after a match and ask how "the lads" got on as will all the shop assistants.  No need to ask "which team".  That doesn't happen elsewhere. When I worked in London, everyone in the office interested in football supported a different team.  That meant that the limited football conversation was very different from up here where so much of it is based around NUFC.  I would say that during every conversation I have with an acquaintance up here, there will be a point when the latest goings on at Newcastle will be brought up.

 

Again sorry but that is absolute rubbish. How could you possibly say that's exclusive to Newcastle? I've been in Leeds, Charlton, Norwich...hell (and I hate to admit this) even Sunderland where a scenario similar to that has occurred. If you work in London and you're in a neutral area (such as central) then of course, people are likely to support different clubs. You'll probably find mostly Liverpool fans even! But if you're in the residential areas, such as Leytonstone, then you'll find most of the locals are Orient fans and are passionate ones to boot who talk about the club with some random guy at the local offie.

 

This is why it is different up here.  Do I support Newcastle more than another club's supporter?  No.  But having lived all over the country including cities like Manchester and London, I have never experienced anything like how the performance of a football team affects the rhythm of a city and the people that live in it as much as Newcastle United does.

 

Fair play. Well I have. I've seen Aston/Perry Barr after a Villa win, the absent mood in Stratford after a West Ham draw... I've seen Bermondsey being torn to shreds after a Millwall loss. I think we're a very special club but just not in this way, other football clubs directly affect their area's mood in largely the same way imo.

 

My office is in E10. I've never ever noticed a different vibe when Orient get beat. I'm regularly around Stratford and I'd never know if West Ham had won or lost.

 

I've been to the Emirates (fantastic stadium) and watched as their fans disappear like little mice, scampering in different directions, after the final whistle.

 

I just really don't see how football affects the local mood in any way, shape or form in relative contrast to that of football in the NE.

 

I've literally, in 14 years, never seen an old granny chatting about football in London. For the most part my football related conversations gloss the surface with other fans because there's either not the passion, interest or knowledge tbqh.

[Ndegwa]

If you haven't then fair enough but that surprises me. Ain't E10 more Leyton, Temple Mills, Hackney Marshes rather than Leytonstone though? With the unis and gentrification round them bits I guess I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard an old gran going off on one about fret. My gran (not a football-loving one  ) used to live in Leytonstone before she passed and it was crazy how much a League One/Two club could affect the area, from my eyes. I've seen the same in plenty of other cities than London, though. My point is is that I really do not think, considering my experience and others', that this feeling is exclusive to Newcastle.

 

 

Doesn't take away the fact (well, my opinion) that Newcastle is the greatest city in England. 

[The College Dropout]

It's not a matter of where they come from but how they'd be spending their Saturdays without the match. They'd be spending it in the city centre on the drink watching football on the TV. For our fans the ground is right there so a great deal think they might as well just go anyway. What other PL fans primary drinking holes on a Saturday night are all within 200 yards of the ground?

 

All of the "real" pubs where I live are in Red & Blue. There's people who will go to school, work & die within 4 miles of Selhurst Park.

 

London's a highly concentrated place. None of the stadiums are out of town. Using Crystal Palace again - it's right bang in the middle of a highly populated area with 10 bloody Wetherspoon's alone in within 2.5 miles of the stadium.

 

There's 900k people in the whole of Tyneside. There's 8 million people in Greater London. People stay in their pockets of the City.  London fans aren't travelling far for their football fix unless it's Arsenal or Chelsea.

 

Where Newcastle is unique is that there's such a large part of the country with only 1 decent side to follow. Compared to other non-London clubs the stadium is in a metropolitan area. But I wouldn't act like other clubs are so out of town like the Italian clubs.

[loki679]

I didn't get that kind of vibe when I lived in Leytonstone at all.  There was loads of spuds and arsenal around.

[Wullie]

It's not a matter of where they come from but how they'd be spending their Saturdays without the match. They'd be spending it in the city centre on the drink watching football on the TV. For our fans the ground is right there so a great deal think they might as well just go anyway. What other PL fans primary drinking holes on a Saturday night are all within 200 yards of the ground?

 

All of the "real" pubs where I live are in Red & Blue. There's people who will go to school, work & die within 4 miles of Selhurst Park.

 

London's a highly concentrated place. None of the stadiums are out of town. Using Crystal Palace again - it's right bang in the middle of a highly populated area with 10 bloody Wetherspoon's alone in within 2.5 miles of the stadium.

 

There's 900k people in the whole of Tyneside. There's 8 million people in Greater London. People stay in their pockets of the City.  London fans aren't travelling far for their football fix unless it's Arsenal or Chelsea.

 

Where Newcastle is unique is that there's such a large part of the country with only 1 decent side to follow. Compared to other non-London clubs the stadium is in a metropolitan area. But I wouldn't act like other clubs are so out of town like the Italian clubs.

 

So it's your opinion that even when there's no match on, most people who attend Selhurst Park on a matchday will also spend their typical Saturday night out, their big night of the week, within three or four hundred yards of the stadium? You know more than me but I find that extremely hard to believe.

[The College Dropout]

It's not a matter of where they come from but how they'd be spending their Saturdays without the match. They'd be spending it in the city centre on the drink watching football on the TV. For our fans the ground is right there so a great deal think they might as well just go anyway. What other PL fans primary drinking holes on a Saturday night are all within 200 yards of the ground?

 

All of the "real" pubs where I live are in Red & Blue. There's people who will go to school, work & die within 4 miles of Selhurst Park.

 

London's a highly concentrated place. None of the stadiums are out of town. Using Crystal Palace again - it's right bang in the middle of a highly populated area with 10 bloody Wetherspoon's alone in within 2.5 miles of the stadium.

 

There's 900k people in the whole of Tyneside. There's 8 million people in Greater London. People stay in their pockets of the City.  London fans aren't travelling far for their football fix unless it's Arsenal or Chelsea.

 

Where Newcastle is unique is that there's such a large part of the country with only 1 decent side to follow. Compared to other non-London clubs the stadium is in a metropolitan area. But I wouldn't act like other clubs are so out of town like the Italian clubs.

 

So it's your opinion that even when there's no match on, most people who attend Selhurst Park on a matchday will also spend their typical Saturday night out, their big night of the week, within three or four hundred yards of the stadium? You know more than me but I find that extremely hard to believe.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SELHURST+park+to+croydon+town+centre&oq=SELHURST+park+to+croydon+town+centre&aqs=chrome..69i57.13167j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=selhurst+park+to+croydon+town+centre

 

It's difficult to convey unless you spend a significant amount of time in London. A lot of people stay in their little towns. If you're going to spend £500 on a CP season-ticket you'll happily spend a fair few nights out in Croydon, Brixton or Crystal Palace. These are all local areas where you'll find radgies tearing it up at 3am on Saturday. Of course you could also treck up to Shoreditch, Hoxton or Central London - but you could also support Chelsea.

[Ndegwa]

Well said TCD  articulated it well. It's a different kind of animal London, but the similarities with the football clubs are there.

 

Don't focus too much on London anyway. That same feeling is prevalent in other cities in England. I love Newcastle with every bone in my body but from my experience it's not the only town/city in ol' Blighty where people get wrapped up so much in the goings on at their local club.

[Wullie]

Eh? Selhurst Park, according to Google, is a 35 minute walk from Croydon centre, nearly 2 miles. If SJP were 2 miles away, our crowds would have crumbled under Ashley. People still go because it's a minor inconvenience to their day at worst. That's the point I was making.