TRon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I haven't seen any difference in the way we play aside from form and confidence as a result of players playing in their correct positions as a result of injuries. Sissoko moving to midfield is far and away the big difference in my mind, but I don't see any change in tactics whatsoever. I don't know about tactics in general but it was just the second half on saturday, we had a spell before we scored when we had a few players in the penalty area. Probably just desperation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I haven't seen any difference in the way we play aside from form and confidence as a result of players playing in their correct positions as a result of injuries. Sissoko moving to midfield is far and away the big difference in my mind, but I don't see any change in tactics whatsoever. This. I feel we're one conceded goal away from imploding all the time. It's like the side that had Perch/Williamson at CB yet kept clean sheets. Opportunistic Pardew football that works for brief periods of time when luck is on his side. It will crash and burn eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's typical Pardew momentum. The wheels will come off shortly, sadly. If they don't, and this is a sign of something different, he would be a good manager, but we know he isn't. We've been here before with him. Just think Rodgers and Pochettino can become available in the next few months and some will still argue we're lucky to have this guy. I think we are seeing the value of having proper club culture and systems coming to the fore. I'm starting to believe Brendan & Poch benefited from being at clubs with excellent cultures and systems rather than themselves being top or even very good managers. Both their clubs have kicked on. Obviously both better than Pards like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's typical Pardew momentum. The wheels will come off shortly, sadly. If they don't, and this is a sign of something different, he would be a good manager, but we know he isn't. We've been here before with him. Just think Rodgers and Pochettino can become available in the next few months and some will still argue we're lucky to have this guy. I think we are seeing the value of having proper club culture and systems coming to the fore. I'm starting to believe Brendan & Poch benefited from being at clubs with excellent cultures and systems rather than themselves being top or even very good managers. Both their clubs have kicked on. Obviously both better than Pards like. That's a really interesting thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 At home to QPR, 0-0 after an hour - even Pardew will figure to get more players forward. The biggest thing to emerge from this all is that in fact it seems the players are with him and seemingly his ideas. I know he's big on squad harmony, atmosphere etc. and that's probably saved his bacon. I also believe we've got a decent set of lads. Similar to Crystal Palace - think Warnock's an awful manager But they've got a good group there and they could stay up despite their manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's typical Pardew momentum. The wheels will come off shortly, sadly. If they don't, and this is a sign of something different, he would be a good manager, but we know he isn't. We've been here before with him. Just think Rodgers and Pochettino can become available in the next few months and some will still argue we're lucky to have this guy. I think we are seeing the value of having proper club culture and systems coming to the fore. I'm starting to believe Brendan & Poch benefited from being at clubs with excellent cultures and systems rather than themselves being top or even very good managers. Both their clubs have kicked on. Obviously both better than Pards like. That's a really interesting thought. I look at Spurs and they're awful. Very lucky to get 6 points against Villa & Hull. Two poor teams. Outplayed Spurs for the majority. But it's not his fault, it's all very Spurs-like. Too many players flattering to deceive. Some ability but consistently out-fought. The Chairman think he's too clever, the player's think their too clever or good. Chairman that likes the fancy name players and managers. Everything Sherwood said about the players at Spurs is true imo. Dropping most of the fancy dans was the correct approach. It's the opposite at S'hampton. Despite a lot of players turning over and managers these last 3 years - those lads just knuckle down each time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't think we can be counted in the same way like. We all know we have good players, albeit ones that aren't a shadow on the ones we had this time last year, but to go beyond that is naive in the extreme. We have a system that's set up to consolidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Will be interesting to see if the dumb fuck drops Abeid for Tioté, that would be totally idiotic and unfair to Mehdi. He'd done nothing wrong and deserves to play. Feels almost as it's written in stone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Will be interesting to see if the dumb f*** drops Abeid for Tioté, that would be totally idiotic and unfair to Mehdi. He'd done nothing wrong and deserves to play. Feels almost as it's written in stone. In a normal setup it would be fine. Tiote will probably be fit before Abeid now and come in, which is okay. If he plays well then it'd be down to Abeid to earn his place back again. In a normal setup he'd have chances to do that though, whereas you know with Pardew that once Tiote gets back in, he won't be dropping him till he's injured again. Abeid's only hope of not being dropped for Tiote in a Pardew team was to avoid injury and play so well he couldn't be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Watching the highlights on MOTD I was surprised at the number of players getting into the box in the second half, something the king has usually avoided like the plague before the sackpardew.com campaign. I don't suppose the thicker fans will acknowledge it, but those who have pointed out his awful brand of football on sites like that might be responsible for Pardew now trying to go more on the front foot as he would say. But then is easy to do that against QPR, whether he'll have the balls to do it against better teams is debatable. It should be easy to do it against QPR, but historically Pardew has always been capable of getting a result against one of the big boys due to sitting back and counter attacking, its been the QPRs of the world that he's struggled against - i.e. when the emphasis is on us to attack. Promising signs, there has been a noticable change in approach since the protests and I can't shake the notion that someone has made it very clear what is expected on the pitch. How much of the form is down to luck in personnel changes forced upon him and how much is sustainable remains to be seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Watching the highlights on MOTD I was surprised at the number of players getting into the box in the second half, something the king has usually avoided like the plague before the sackpardew.com campaign. I don't suppose the thicker fans will acknowledge it, but those who have pointed out his awful brand of football on sites like that might be responsible for Pardew now trying to go more on the front foot as he would say. But then is easy to do that against QPR, whether he'll have the balls to do it against better teams is debatable. It should be easy to do it against QPR, but historically Pardew has always been capable of getting a result against one of the big boys due to sitting back and counter attacking, its been the QPRs of the world that he's struggled against - i.e. when the emphasis is on us to attack. Promising signs, there has been a noticable change in approach since the protests and I can't shake the notion that someone has made it very clear what is expected on the pitch. How much of the form is down to luck in personnel changes forced upon him and how much is sustainable remains to be seen But as has been pointed out, it was only after an hour that we really started to look for a goal in earnest, I don't recall seeing us going at teams from the off either this season or last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Problem for me is that if he puts Tiote back in then we have two very defensive midfielders playing next to each other rather than Mehdi who is more positive with the ball and capable of making things happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Problem for me is that if he puts Tiote back in then we have two very defensive midfielders playing next to each other rather than Mehdi who is more positive with the ball and capable of making things happen. Nailed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Problem for me is that if he puts Tiote back in then we have two very defensive midfielders playing next to each other rather than Mehdi who is more positive with the ball and capable of making things happen. Nailed on. Yeh, Mehdi covers alot of bases. Hes strong, athletic and reads the play well, whilst also comfortable and positive in possession. I suppose hes a combination of the better qualities of Anita and Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 There's been no change of approach. Keep it tight, strangle every last bit of joy out of the event, try and nick it 1-0. That's been the gameplan in almost every game for four years. The change is that it's currently working, as it often does for a few games a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 No different to last season thus far. Our wins happen to have been in a bigger row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 There's been no change of approach. Keep it tight, strangle every last bit of joy out of the event, try and nick it 1-0. That's been the gameplan in almost every game for four years. The change is that it's currently working, as it often does for a few games a season. Yeh I think we have probably counter-attacked with more purpose over this little run, but that is more due to the youthful enthusiasm of Ayoze, Cabella and Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I always remember that Europa game against Benfica. His approach to chasing a 2 goal defecit was to keep it tight for 70 minutes and then try to create something after. That's what he actually said about it and it seems to be reflected in a lot of games we play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I always remember that Europa game against Benfica. His approach to chasing a 2 goal defecit was to keep it tight for 70 minutes and then try to create something after. That's what he actually said about it and it seems to be reflected in a lot of games we play. Bigirimana RW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Pardew can't stand an open exciting game of football. I genuinely think he finds it terrifying, in the sense it is too unnerving for him. It's pathetic. Pure cowardice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The real difference has been the solidity of the back four imo, rather than anything going forward. The whole backline has been flawless since half time at WHL, even amongst changing personnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sissoko moving to the middle for me. There's no room for Pardew's negativity for a player like that, he just keeps running and running and the whole staying in position thing doesn't work with a player like that, he just does his own thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sissoko moving to the middle for me. There's no room for Pardew's negativity for a player like that, he just keeps running and running and the whole staying in position thing doesn't work with a player like that, he just does his own thing. Yeah, I really think this has been the key change tbh. Phenomenal difference he's made in there. Just goes to show how the slightest thing can impact the whole team either way. How long have people been clamouring for him to play inside? It's just crazy. I have no doubt if Gouffran played upfront, we'd all appreciate him much more right now. Very frustrating stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sissoko moving to the middle for me. There's no room for Pardew's negativity for a player like that, he just keeps running and running and the whole staying in position thing doesn't work with a player like that, he just does his own thing. Yeah, I really think this has been the key change tbh. Phenomenal difference he's made in there. Just goes to show how the slightest thing can impact the whole team either way. How long have people been clamouring for him to play inside? It's just crazy. I have no doubt if Gouffran played upfront, we'd all appreciate him much more right now. Very frustrating stuff. About as long as people have been clamouring for him to go with one defensive midfielder instead of two, or a real left winger rather than an auxiliary left back. Funnily enough when he's been forced through injuries into making these changes, we've seen an improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sissoko moving to the middle for me. There's no room for Pardew's negativity for a player like that, he just keeps running and running and the whole staying in position thing doesn't work with a player like that, he just does his own thing. Yeah, I really think this has been the key change tbh. Phenomenal difference he's made in there. Just goes to show how the slightest thing can impact the whole team either way. How long have people been clamouring for him to play inside? It's just crazy. I have no doubt if Gouffran played upfront, we'd all appreciate him much more right now. Very frustrating stuff. Good call. Would be interesting to one day see Gouff playing up front with Ayoze and/or Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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