NG32 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So someone that plays a game that mimics football management, a game that is essentially lists and options...is going to have more chance of being a football manager than someone who has little knowledge of the game. If you can sit in the dugout with your laptop maybe. No, they're going to be better equipped than someone that has managed someone in an office or has been a teacher, without any knowledge of football, of course they are. Don't you think it's canny archaic to think that someone managing people is more important than knowing about football? Mike Ashleys manages a bunch of people to run a football club and his football knowledge is pretty garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So someone that plays a game that mimics football management, a game that is essentially lists and options...is going to have more chance of being a football manager than someone who has little knowledge of the game. If you can sit in the dugout with your laptop maybe. No, they're going to be better equipped than someone that has managed someone in an office or has been a teacher, without any knowledge of football, of course they are. Don't you think it's canny archaic to think that someone managing people is more important than knowing about football? Mike Ashleys manages a bunch of people to run a football club and his football knowledge is pretty garbage. Eh? I dunno what point you're making here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley plays FM though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley, Pardew, Bishop etc meeting up at the training ground, for a coffee, chat over the upcoming transfer window.... Bishop ' Here lads look at this website- The Fans who dont like Alan think they can do better cos they have been good at a football manager computer game' ....Lots of Laughing out loud. ...Pardew is here forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's way, way more complicated than that and the outcome of choices depend on countless variables such as the club, the player involved etc etc and it's all based on real life, so someone like Balotelli is going to be a s*** to manage etc. I'm not even saying that it's going to make you a manager, I think suggesting that is cringey, it's just this whole turning your nose up at games as if they're still how they were in the '70s that's ignorant. It's a good tool and it's actually used by clubs, so in depth is the data in it. The job is obviously to manage people, but discounting it and saying that a teacher or manager (regardless of their experience or knowledge of football) is going to prepare you a lot better than 'clicking a mouse' is based on nothing more than ignorance really. I agree it's a good tool but it's still a game with its own rules, based on reality yes but still a simulation. Communicating with players, motivating players, building team spirit etc is obviously a big, big part of the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley, Pardew, Bishop etc meeting up at the training ground, for a coffee, chat over the upcoming transfer window.... Bishop ' Here lads look at this website- The Fans who dont like Alan think they can do better cos they have been good at a football manager computer game' ....Lots of Laughing out loud. ...Pardew is here forever. Aye, that's exactly what people are saying. Anything to contribute outside of snidey, arsehole remarks? It seems like that's all you're capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley, Pardew, Bishop etc meeting up at the training ground, for a coffee, chat over the upcoming transfer window.... Bishop ' Here lads look at this website- The Fans who dont like Alan think they can do better cos they have been good at a football manager computer game' ....Lots of Laughing out loud. ...Pardew is here forever. Aye, that's exactly what people are saying. Anything to contribute outside of snidey, arsehole remarks? It seems like that's all you're capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's way, way more complicated than that and the outcome of choices depend on countless variables such as the club, the player involved etc etc and it's all based on real life, so someone like Balotelli is going to be a s*** to manage etc. I'm not even saying that it's going to make you a manager, I think suggesting that is cringey, it's just this whole turning your nose up at games as if they're still how they were in the '70s that's ignorant. It's a good tool and it's actually used by clubs, so in depth is the data in it. The job is obviously to manage people, but discounting it and saying that a teacher or manager (regardless of their experience or knowledge of football) is going to prepare you a lot better than 'clicking a mouse' is based on nothing more than ignorance really. I agree it's a good tool but it's still a game with its own rules, based on reality yes but still a simulation. Communicating with players, motivating players, building team spirit etc is obviously a big, big part of the job. Definitely, totally agree with that. Dunno about a teacher or office manager being more well equipped, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley, Pardew, Bishop etc meeting up at the training ground, for a coffee, chat over the upcoming transfer window.... Bishop ' Here lads look at this website- The Fans who dont like Alan think they can do better cos they have been good at a football manager computer game' ....Lots of Laughing out loud. ...Pardew is here forever. Aye, that's exactly what people are saying. Anything to contribute outside of snidey, arsehole remarks? It seems like that's all you're capable of. Thought so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ashley, Pardew, Bishop etc meeting up at the training ground, for a coffee, chat over the upcoming transfer window.... Bishop ' Here lads look at this website- The Fans who dont like Alan think they can do better cos they have been good at a football manager computer game' ....Lots of Laughing out loud. ...Pardew is here forever. Aye, that's exactly what people are saying. Anything to contribute outside of snidey, arsehole remarks? It seems like that's all you're capable of. Thought so. ok, I will put that more straightforward if it helps you. Pardews critics do themselves no favours talking about computer games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Again, that's not really what's happening, but feel free to think that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Think people are missing the point, pretty sure the original post - which I agree with, is that in playing games like FM and just watching matches you can develop a pretty astute appreciation of the systems and tactics. Such people are being employed (I know a lot of them will have related degrees as well) in football now in analytic's and performance departments. Obviously it's a significant leap to becoming an actual manager - because it very much is who you know etc and man management is a totally arena, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Perfectly put. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 No one is saying that that alone would make a great manager, only that's a good tool to start from as a basis to learn from. There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use that as a tool to learn the necessary basics before going on to learn the more advanced stuff like motivation and the general human element. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Think people are missing the point, pretty sure the original post - which I agree with, is that in playing games like FM and just watching matches you can develop a pretty astute appreciation of the systems and tactics. Such people are being employed (I know a lot of them will have related degrees as well) in football now in analytic's and performance departments. Obviously it's a significant leap to becoming an actual manager - because it very much is who you know etc and man manegent is a totally arena, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Some people do seem pretty oblivious to the increasing importance of analytics in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 No one is saying that that alone would make a great manager, only that's a good tool to start from as a basis to learn from. There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use that as a tool to learn the necessary basics before going on to learn the more advanced stuff like motivation and the general human element. Id like to think your basic education of football would come from actually watching games, going to games and watching all formats of football. Playing football manager might help you in some form but it wont ever replace someone who has been involved with the game all their lives, played to a level, became a coach and then moved up to management or even DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So someone that plays a game that mimics football management, a game that is essentially lists and options...is going to have more chance of being a football manager than someone who has little knowledge of the game. If you can sit in the dugout with your laptop maybe. No, they're going to be better equipped than someone that has managed someone in an office or has been a teacher, without any knowledge of football, of course they are. Don't you think it's canny archaic to think that someone managing people is more important than knowing about football? Mike Ashleys manages a bunch of people to run a football club and his football knowledge is pretty garbage. Eh? I dunno what point you're making here? I was tking the piss with that one. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think discounting both is naive, but the point is that those that have been in football tend to get that door opened to them because they were a player, despite having no real experience of management. The whole argument originally was that there's nothing to say that these people will be any good and in fact there are a lot of managers who have no real experience as a player that have come through to management and been some of the most successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So someone that plays a game that mimics football management, a game that is essentially lists and options...is going to have more chance of being a football manager than someone who has little knowledge of the game. If you can sit in the dugout with your laptop maybe. No, they're going to be better equipped than someone that has managed someone in an office or has been a teacher, without any knowledge of football, of course they are. Don't you think it's canny archaic to think that someone managing people is more important than knowing about football? Mike Ashleys manages a bunch of people to run a football club and his football knowledge is pretty garbage. Eh? I dunno what point you're making here? I was tking the piss with that one. :lol: I thought so like, had to be sure though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I love the assumption that playing FM means you have never played the actual game of football to any level, and also have no ability to manage people in any capacity. Interesting take on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 No one is saying that that alone would make a great manager, only that's a good tool to start from as a basis to learn from. There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use that as a tool to learn the necessary basics before going on to learn the more advanced stuff like motivation and the general human element. Id like to think your basic education of football would come from actually watching games, going to games and watching all formats of football. Agreed. I think FM is of most use to scouts, thanks to its large database with player info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 No one is saying that that alone would make a great manager, only that's a good tool to start from as a basis to learn from. There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use that as a tool to learn the necessary basics before going on to learn the more advanced stuff like motivation and the general human element. Id like to think your basic education of football would come from actually watching games, going to games and watching all formats of football. Agreed. I think FM is of most use to scouts, due to its large database with player info. who inputs the player info? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 A team of researchers (usually with scouting and coaching experience) that travel the world and watch players first hand, talk to people in the game and report back to the developer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 dont accept that premier league clubs scout players on football manager games sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Despite the irrefutable fact that they definitely do. Right oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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