Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 21:53, Northerngimp said: Quote Nandos have withdrawn their support to Oldham Dont like flesh on the bone. It's funny because a woman was raped. Reveal hidden contents :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So the family involved in the harassment of the victim are going to be paying his salary, paying for any lost sponsorship, and are mates with the Oldham chairman. So effectively these wicked people are buying his place in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 22:40, James said: So the family involved in the harassment of the victim are going to be paying his salary, paying for any lost sponsorship, and are mates with the Oldham chairman. So effectively these wicked people are buying his place in football. any different to someone buying a seat in an F1 car and displacing someone who has talent but no cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 15:19, AlanSkärare said: Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Didn't realise that about McCormick. Ugh. That's much worse than this. Generally agree with your post. Not of particular relevance to Evans himself but I can't stand this line of "he has to be allowed to work again and football is his job." Cool, we'll just let rapist police officers back into uniform when they get out in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 23:22, Wullie said: Quote Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Didn't realise that about McCormick. Ugh. That's much worse than this. Generally agree with your post. Not of particular relevance to Evans himself but I can't stand this line of "he has to be allowed to work again and football is his job." Cool, we'll just let rapist police officers back into uniform when they get out in that case. Pretty sure a criminal record disqualifies you from police work (at least over here), so it's not the same. Anyway, clubs do have a choice, but that also means they can chose "yes" without being accused of doing something egregious. Once somebody is out of jail, his debt is paid. If there are issues about this particular guy not showing remorse or not having "learnt the lesson" fingers should be pointed at the sentence he was given (he only served half of it, two years and a half sounds a bit lenient if he indeed was proven guilty of rape), not to the football club that's choosing to employ him again once he's done the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 17:03, Varadi said: Quote Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Lols. Just to prove I'm not an avid reader of Rapist's Weekly.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11226209/Ched-Evans-Sorry-but-all-rapes-are-not-the-same.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 He has not done the ''time'', he is out on license. I wonder if people would be so accepting if it was their wife/daughter/mother who was raped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 00:37, mozy said: Quote Quote Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Lols. Just to prove I'm not an avid reader of Rapist's Weekly.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11226209/Ched-Evans-Sorry-but-all-rapes-are-not-the-same.html Tremendously stupid article, but this unnerved me the most: Quote That’s the Nineteen Seventies, by the way, children, not the Eighteen Seventies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 23:22, Wullie said: Quote Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Didn't realise that about McCormick. Ugh. That's much worse than this. Generally agree with your post. Not of particular relevance to Evans himself but I can't stand this line of "he has to be allowed to work again and football is his job." Cool, we'll just let rapist police officers back into uniform when they get out in that case. I can't stand the idea that he's (was) being prevented from taking up his chosen profession by mouthpieces and keyboard warriors. Don't kid yourself, plenty of clubs would have taken him ages ago for football reasons but were simply scared to do for fear of the backlash. He doesn't "have" to be allowed back to football but he has a legal right to do it and presumably has something to offer on the pitch so clubs should be free to make a football decision. It's not about being allowed, he is legally allowed. Fucking murderers playing man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 21:26, TaylorJ_01 said: Chicken fried.... rape. Sharp stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 07/01/2015 at 22:54, wyn davies said: Quote So the family involved in the harassment of the victim are going to be paying his salary, paying for any lost sponsorship, and are mates with the Oldham chairman. So effectively these wicked people are buying his place in football. any different to someone buying a seat in an F1 car and displacing someone who has talent but no cash Not really because Oldham are essentially being paid to overlook his crimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Deal off - SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Quote Telegraph Football @TeleFootball · 12m Ched Evans deal could still be ON - rumours of a collapse appear premature. Surely all the disruption its causing the club isn't worth it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Kids fucked, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:34, mrmojorisin75 said: Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:44, Nexumaster said: Quote Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. I do not agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:44, Nexumaster said: Quote Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. Exactly. He'd be lucky to get a job at all with a criminal record, he shouldn't be so fussy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeyb Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 01:29, mrmojorisin75 said: He doesn't "have" to be allowed back to football but he has a legal right to do it and presumably has something to offer on the pitch so clubs should be free to make a football decision. It's not about being allowed, he is legally allowed. eh, what legal right? Yes he is legally allowed, but this is not the same as a right. I'm fairly sure that I'd find it near impossible to get back in to my field of work if I were a convicted rapist, and I'm not even in the public eye. Yes I think he should be allowed to work, no I do not believe that he has a right to be paid footballer, that's a privilege not a right. I don't believe for one second that Oldham would be so interested in signing him if it were not for the fact he is far better than anyone else they could normally afford; amazing value for money because his reputation is so damaged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:44, Nexumaster said: Quote Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. Agree. To be honest with his appeal he should have stepped back from football until it was over one way or the other. His name being in the spotlight and the non apology/remorse stuff hasnt been good for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:45, hazeyb said: Quote He doesn't "have" to be allowed back to football but he has a legal right to do it and presumably has something to offer on the pitch so clubs should be free to make a football decision. It's not about being allowed, he is legally allowed. eh, what legal right? Yes he is legally allowed, but this is not the same as a right. I'm fairly sure that I'd find it near impossible to get back in to my field of work if I were a convicted rapist, and I'm not even in the public eye. Yes I think he should be allowed to work, no I do not believe that he has a right to be paid footballer, that's a privilege not a right. I don't believe for one second that Oldham would be so interested in signing him if it were not for the fact he is far better than anyone else they could normally afford; amazing value for money because his reputation is so damaged. He has a legal right to seek employment in whatever field he so chooses. The only reason he's not already playing football again is due to the pressure being exerted on clubs that would otherwise have signed him ages back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeyb Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:53, mrmojorisin75 said: Quote Quote He doesn't "have" to be allowed back to football but he has a legal right to do it and presumably has something to offer on the pitch so clubs should be free to make a football decision. It's not about being allowed, he is legally allowed. eh, what legal right? Yes he is legally allowed, but this is not the same as a right. I'm fairly sure that I'd find it near impossible to get back in to my field of work if I were a convicted rapist, and I'm not even in the public eye. Yes I think he should be allowed to work, no I do not believe that he has a right to be paid footballer, that's a privilege not a right. I don't believe for one second that Oldham would be so interested in signing him if it were not for the fact he is far better than anyone else they could normally afford; amazing value for money because his reputation is so damaged. He has a legal right to seek employment in whatever field he so chooses. The only reason he's not already playing football again is due to the pressure being exerted on clubs that would otherwise have signed him ages back. wo But why should he be allowed back? Would you be happy if he was employed to work alongside your missus? First works do where she has a few too many shandys would you expect him to get her a taxi to ensure that she gets home safe and sound, or do you think he'd take advantage and have her panties down and be in balls deep before you can say 'Why did they employ him?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 11:44, Nexumaster said: Quote Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. He, along with all people released from prison, might as well just go and jump off a bridge based on your logic. Why doesn't he just settle for a life on the dole taking taxpayer's money if he's only allowed to apply for perceived shit jobs. He has a right to seek employment in any area he chooses. If clubs won't employ him then he will have to look somewhere else, fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 12:00, hazeyb said: Quote Quote Quote He doesn't "have" to be allowed back to football but he has a legal right to do it and presumably has something to offer on the pitch so clubs should be free to make a football decision. It's not about being allowed, he is legally allowed. eh, what legal right? Yes he is legally allowed, but this is not the same as a right. I'm fairly sure that I'd find it near impossible to get back in to my field of work if I were a convicted rapist, and I'm not even in the public eye. Yes I think he should be allowed to work, no I do not believe that he has a right to be paid footballer, that's a privilege not a right. I don't believe for one second that Oldham would be so interested in signing him if it were not for the fact he is far better than anyone else they could normally afford; amazing value for money because his reputation is so damaged. He has a legal right to seek employment in whatever field he so chooses. The only reason he's not already playing football again is due to the pressure being exerted on clubs that would otherwise have signed him ages back. wo But why should he be allowed back? Would you be happy if he was employed to work alongside your missus? First works do where she has a few too many shandys would you expect him to get her a taxi to ensure that she gets home safe and sound, or do you think he'd take advantage and have her panties down and be in balls deep before you can say 'Why did they employ him?' Because the law permits him to. Similarly it permits employers to not offer him employment based on his conviction. You're making an issue where there isn't one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On 08/01/2015 at 12:01, mozy said: Quote Quote Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job. He, along with all people released from prison, might as well just go and jump off a bridge based on your logic. Why doesn't he just settle for a life on the dole taking taxpayer's money if he's only allowed to apply for perceived shit jobs. He has a right to seek employment in any area he chooses. If clubs won't employ him then he will have to look somewhere else, fair enough. This is the point. He's not in a position to be fussy and there is no entitlement. Football has no obligation to take him back and he should be more than happy to work at a 'shit' job. He needs to accept he screwed up his career and it's over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Being a footballer is not a privilege like, it's a good job that people have because of their ability and application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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