Ched Evans - Not Guilty

[mrmojorisin75]

Eh? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have petitions against it?

 

they are allowed, but they're clearly massively open to abuse and keeping evans out of football has become a thing in itself now imho - if it was a poll of genuine supporters who were always knocking him back then aye fine but it's clearly not

 

assuming those 4k/20k oldham petition numbers are correct it's just nonsense

[Smal]

Apparently one of the board members has been told where his daughter works and that she'll be raped if they continue.

[ujpest doza]

Kids f***ed, might as well give up now and see if Asda will take him stacking shelves

 

I don't even see this as a joke. It's exactly what he should do. He had a great opportunity, he f***ed it up. Be thankful to be out of prison and put in a shift at a normal, profileless job.

His girlfriends dad is a multi millionaire, is bankrolling his website, defence and appeal and has already stated that should Evans not get back into football there will always be a job for him at his company.

 

[Andymc1]

Apparently one of the board members has been told where his daughter works and that she'll be raped if they continue.

 

Just heard that. Other staff members at Oldham have been threatened. It's getting quite difficult to work out who's the baddie in all of this.

[brummie]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

[Nexumaster]

Eh? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have petitions against it?

 

they are allowed, but they're clearly massively open to abuse and keeping evans out of football has become a thing in itself now imho - if it was a poll of genuine supporters who were always knocking him back then aye fine but it's clearly not

 

assuming those 4k/20k oldham petition numbers are correct it's just nonsense

 

I see your point here but I think you need to look at the repercussions of him getting back into football. Parents, regardless of whether they like football or not, will want to sign the petition if they have kids who like football.

[Skeletor]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

 

Agree with this. If he had shown remorse he might well have got back into football eventually.

[r0cafella]

Is he that good he's worth the PR hit?

 

I don't understand why anyone would want to go near him given the criticism they will come in for.

[mrmojorisin75]

Apparently one of the board members has been told where his daughter works and that she'll be raped if they continue.

 

the fuck?  is this supposed to be real?

 

[r0cafella]

Apparently one of the board members has been told where his daughter works and that she'll be raped if they continue.

 

the f***?  is this supposed to be real?

Sky news have just said due to threats to family members of the board.

[mrmojorisin75]

Eh? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have petitions against it?

 

they are allowed, but they're clearly massively open to abuse and keeping evans out of football has become a thing in itself now imho - if it was a poll of genuine supporters who were always knocking him back then aye fine but it's clearly not

 

assuming those 4k/20k oldham petition numbers are correct it's just nonsense

 

I see your point here but I think you need to look at the repercussions of him getting back into football. Parents, regardless of whether they like football or not, will want to sign the petition if they have kids who like football.

 

so it's think of the children now?

 

i'll not agree he should be blocked from playing if clubs want him to play for them, which they obviously do

[Smal]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

 

Yeah, agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be so against him returning to football had he shown some signs of reformation. As it is though he doesn't appear to have learnt anything from his experience.

[brummie]

Eh? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have petitions against it?

 

they are allowed, but they're clearly massively open to abuse and keeping evans out of football has become a thing in itself now imho - if it was a poll of genuine supporters who were always knocking him back then aye fine but it's clearly not

 

assuming those 4k/20k oldham petition numbers are correct it's just nonsense

 

I see your point here but I think you need to look at the repercussions of him getting back into football. Parents, regardless of whether they like football or not, will want to sign the petition if they have kids who like football.

 

so it's think of the children now?

 

i'll not agree he should be blocked from playing if clubs want him to play for them, which they obviously do

 

He isn't blocked from returning to football, though.

 

That's a pretty important point.

 

Clubs are not signing him because the fans or sponsors - or both - do not want to see their club associated with someone like him. That's entirely understandable, but it is not the same thing as being "blocked" from playing, which implies some form of legal restriction.

[Andymc1]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

 

Yeah, agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be so against him returning to football had he shown some signs of reformation. As it is though he doesn't appear to have learnt anything from his experience.

 

He maintains his innocence so any apology or show of remorse would only be superficial.

[sempuki]

Oldham have received death threats - SSN. Can't imagine anyone going for him - just not worth the hassle.

[George Bailey]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

Kinda see what you mean brummie. However if It was me and I was convinced and beleived I was innocent then I sure as hell wouldn't be showing remorse, just to appease the masses either.

The whole thing from both sides seems distasteful in the extreme and I agree the 'aggressive' camapign and retinue around him harm his case imo.

I would however be stating that rape is abhorent and that I don't just view women as sex objects etc. I think he's been badly advised on this aspect.

Looking at the original case it does seem an odd one, and not a cut and dried solid case at all..imo.

Lad shoud try and clear his name legally and if that happens then re start.

 

The rape threat against Oldham staff etc can't be real. that is some sick shit.

[mozy]

Oldham have received death threats - SSN. Can't imagine anyone going for him - just not worth the hassle.

 

The fuck? So murder is now seen as morally more acceptable than rape.

 

Some people really are thick as shit.

[brummie]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

 

Yeah, agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be so against him returning to football had he shown some signs of reformation. As it is though he doesn't appear to have learnt anything from his experience.

 

He maintains his innocence so any apology or show of remorse would only be superficial.

 

He can think he is innocent as much as he likes, and an apology would be hollow, but the way he has acted, with the support of his girfriend's rich family, smacks of arrogance, and the suggestion that if you've got enough cash, you can just buy yourself out of trouble.

 

Look at any football forum you like where people are discussing this and you'll see people suggesting he's actually not guilty, or what he did wasn't too bad, that it happens all the time where young people go out to get pissed, all these things, but the fact remains, Ched Evans has been tried according to the laws of the land and found guilty. He launched an appeal against his conviction, which was refused.

 

The law says he's a convicted rapist, the law has said it twice.

 

The "yeah but" shit which goes on amongst football fans (and clubs, it seems) makes me want to puke.

[bealios]

He's coming here isn't he.

[Teasy]

Apparently one of the board members has been told where his daughter works and that she'll be raped if they continue.

 

Just heard that. Other staff members at Oldham have been threatened. It's getting quite difficult to work out who's the baddie in all of this.

 

Aye I'm sure someone who's so fundamentally against rape would then go out and rape someone

[brummie]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

Kinda see what you mean brummie. However if It was me and I was convinced and beleived I was innocent then I sure as hell wouldn't be showing remorse, just to appease the masses either.

The whole thing from both sides seems distasteful in the extreme and I agree the 'aggressive' camapign and retinue around him harm his case imo.

I would however be stating that rape is abhorent and that I don't just view women as sex objects etc. I think he's been badly advised on this aspect.

Looking at the original case it does seem an odd one, and not a cut and dried solid case at all..imo.

Lad shoud try and clear his name legally and if that happens then re start.

 

The rape threat against Oldham staff etc can't be real. that is some sick shit.

 

How is it distasteful from both sides, though?

 

I mean, what is the other side you're referring to?

[brummie]

He's coming here isn't he.

 

As manager.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wullie]

Oldham have received death threats - SSN. Can't imagine anyone going for him - just not worth the hassle.

 

The fuck? So murder is now seen as morally more acceptable than rape.

 

In the common consciousness I think that actually is the case tbh.

[George Bailey]

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

Kinda see what you mean brummie. However if It was me and I was convinced and beleived I was innocent then I sure as hell wouldn't be showing remorse, just to appease the masses either.

The whole thing from both sides seems distasteful in the extreme and I agree the 'aggressive' camapign and retinue around him harm his case imo.

I would however be stating that rape is abhorent and that I don't just view women as sex objects etc. I think he's been badly advised on this aspect.

Looking at the original case it does seem an odd one, and not a cut and dried solid case at all..imo.

Lad shoud try and clear his name legally and if that happens then re start.

 

The rape threat against Oldham staff etc can't be real. that is some sick s***.

 

How is it distasteful from both sides, though?

 

I mean, what is the other side you're referring to?

The persecution of him via the new judge and jury of the west...social media etc. The usual suspects bandwagon jumping and banging thier drums.

All very distasteful imo.

 

I think he should have been unequivocal in his condemnation of rape and sexual violence, stated he was seeking an appeal (I wasn't aware one had been thrown out) and try and clear his name. If he beleives and maintains innocence.

 

trying to come back to a 'high profile' job was always gonna be idfficult for him, time served or not. Due to the public frenzy and clamour, how ever well meaning or contrived and whipped up.

Whole thing is tawdry.

 

[worthy]

Tbf, a good PR move to get out of it clean would be to say you recieved threats. Now they might as well be legit since there are nutters out there who probably feel like the would need to prove how bad rape is by harming someone near the top bosses. But at the same time, I feel that people like that could not care less about Oldham or who the fuck ever that employs Evans. Either way, he is boned now. No one will go near his PR mess. Sucks to be you, shouldn't have been a cockhead.