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AyeDubbleYoo

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1 hour ago, Ben said:

TBF we are just going around circles, we got Keegan in to play attacking football and was immediately accused of being nieve, " you can't play like that in tournament football", Southgate started off really well with the youth but has now fell into the trap of 7 defenders to avoid risk and its basically boring.


Southgate was more selected for a rebranding job on English football though, I’m not sure how much was to do with tactics or style. The job was toxic and everyone hated the national team. 
 

They needed a nice man in an M&S waistcoat to bring people together. 
 

Arguably they’ve persisted with him a bit too long, but I’m not sure how good a job international management is anyway. The elite managers aren’t doing it. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

The Maddison one is bizarre. He has been one of the best players in the league for years now and gives you attributes that could unlock tight and frustrating games, many of which England seem to be involved in. Ridiculous he'll be sat at home. 

Doesn't play for a big enough team 

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25 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Doesn't play for a big enough team 

 

Hasn't stopped him selecting Rice, Phillips etc in the past though. Albeit in positions with less options. 

 

I think Mount over Maddison sort of sums up my issue with Southgate overall. He could be selecting a really exciting player who I personally enjoy watching, but instead he picks probably the most boring Attacking Midfielder of the decade. Or that's how Mount looks in the England team anyway. 

 

Regardless of that though, Maddison never even gets near the SQUAD. There's no excuse for that imo. 

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2 hours ago, Interpolic said:

The Maddison one is bizarre. He has been one of the best players in the league for years now and gives you attributes that could unlock tight and frustrating games, many of which England seem to be involved in. Ridiculous he'll be sat at home. 

 

It's like he is saying "I can't work with this type of player, no matter what he does. Sorry, he can't work with my system". It's his job to build the best team with the pool of talent we have. There's no chance he'll admit he's wrong now and call him up to the world cup for his 2nd cap. 

 

Going by Southgate's past quotes and how he's set the team up in tournaments with two defensive midfielders, I think he believes that the best way to win tournaments is to shithouse your way through it. Be hard to beat and hope you can nick a goal or win the shootout. To some extent, Italy did just that in Euro 2020, scraping through games against the better sides and winning the semis and final on penalties. Spain absolutely dominated them in the semis, but went out on pens. It was an Italy side that failed to quality for the world cup before it, and the world cup after it, but somehow they found a way through the three big games they had in Euro 2020. I feel Southgate sees that as the template for England. I hope he's right, but I'm not sure if Italy set out to do it that way. They played very good football in the group stage, and adapted when they needed to. We seem to set up negatively from the outset.

 

 

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7 hours ago, St. Maximin said:

It really isn’t at all. 

 

This 'Nations League' thing is less relevant than a friendly match. This competition (if that's what it is) is a complete waste of everyones time.

 

It will disappear soon, I hope, and the sooner the better. 

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2 hours ago, manorpark said:

 

This 'Nations League' thing is less relevant than a friendly match. This competition (if that's what it is) is a complete waste of everyones time.

 

It will disappear soon, I hope, and the sooner the better. 

Hmmm I’ve seen them described as ‘glorified friendlies’, which I kind of get, but how are they less relevant than friendlies? 
 

Besides, the argument that us caring about these defeats is similar to us caring about a preseason defeat is simply not true. Even if you leave aside the fact these are still competitive to some extent, there’s a World Cup coming up and now’s a time to get the team prepared. It’s a short tournament with minimal opportunities to lose games, so I can’t see the comparison between these matches and club preseason. 

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No one took the World Cup seriously for the first few editions. FIFA had to beg countries to take part. 

 

In international competition you need fixtures that matter because winning a cap as a player should be important. I appreciate football fans get tired of comparisons to other sports but in cricket and rugby you don't have "friendlies" you have Tests, which matter. A lot. These sports make use of representative sides like England A or England B where you can call up a player to give international experience without the pressure and prestige of a full international. They used to have these in football (Chris Sutton doesn't say hello) so maybe they should bring them back for those who get sick of England v Germany or England v Italy and much prefer matches against Guam or Trinidad and Tobago. 

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I don’t necessarily think the issue is with the players he picks or the formation, but the idea that exciting teams don’t win tournaments. I reckon the whole setup is geared around trying to control the ball and win the key ‘moments’ and to be fair it kind of has worked thus far. However, it basically looks to me like the players aren’t really showing the motivation to play this style of football any more. I think the cycle is at an end and his influence on the team is waning. Maybe they will turn it on in the WC but I don’t hold out any hope, and we will be back to where we have been for all my life, a second tier international football team that occasionally mixes it with the truly elite teams, but ultimately aren’t good enough.

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Anyone else expecting Southgate to stay on after the WC? He's absolutely dogshit, but that hasn't led the FA to sack him previously. 

 

He's had two hyper-spawny tournaments already, and even if England are embarrassed this time around, I could see him staying on. Partially because the FA love him, and partially because any decent manager wouldn't touch that job with a bargepole.

 

 

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