Theregulars Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Here lads, I think that LeBron James is quite good at bouncy hoop throw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 You haven't grasped the point that Pardew was making. It's not just that Kane is a good player. It's that he is the player , in that role, that we should be building the attack around. Kane is a precious commodity among strikers in that he is both a good target man and a good finisher. A player like that can solve a lot of selection dilemmas. He is an automatic choice in that role, and everything should flow from that decision. That will mean asking others to take on roles that are not ideal for them, but we shouldn't be asking that of Kane, like Hodgson did against Portugal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 On 08/06/2016 at 06:58, Interpolic said: Yeah that's a really incisive point alright. Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 The only people that point needs to be directed at are those who would play Vardy ahead of Kane as a lone striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 The Kane point is fine, but it's something we all know. It's the drivel that comes after that is so bad, when he starts making shit up and rewriting history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 On 08/06/2016 at 11:44, Cronky said: You haven't grasped the point that Pardew was making. It's not just that Kane is a good player. It's that he is the player , in that role, that we should be building the attack around. Kane is a precious commodity among strikers in that he is both a good target man and a good finisher. A player like that can solve a lot of selection dilemmas. He is an automatic choice in that role, and everything should flow from that decision. That will mean asking others to take on roles that are not ideal for them, but we shouldn't be asking that of Kane, like Hodgson did against Portugal. Most people would agree with that view of Kane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 The sky is blue and Chris Bart Williams was the finest footballer of his generation. Putting aside the Interpolic agenda for a moment, I'm fucking bang on about the sky being blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Fucking hell Cronky :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 On 01/06/2016 at 23:20, Ronaldo said: What on earth did Beckham do in 06? Terry and Ferdinand were quality in that tournament, too. Main thing that squad lacked was, as you say, a Shearer. A talisman who'd put the ball in the net when it counted. He wasn't crap and the one thing he excelled at actually made him a threat. Re: Hargreaves as well, I was mixing up my tournaments and thought that it was Euro 2004 in which he was immense, but it was '06, so he's another one that did well. Rio and Terry were solid, but yeah, going forward we were an absolute waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I don't see why Kane is the automatic starter anyway? It's really hard to split them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Vardy had a really good season, but I think it's very clear to see that Kane is the better player. Kane is going to be a superstar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Well aye, but the tournament is in a week. Kane's a flashier player but it's hard to seperate them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 It's all moot anyway, because Roy will shoehorn players in and dilute a lot of the players who've been in fine form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 On 08/06/2016 at 11:56, mozy said: The only people that point needs to be directed at are those who would play Vardy ahead of Kane as a lone striker. Because the theory behind Kane being upfront is so complicated that it needs explaining by Pardew & others. Everyones aware of the prevailing theory, its still debatable. Whats happened in the recent games doesnt even back it up. Two upfront obviously works, he'll probably try one and then shift it about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 We could play two strikers anarl, but I know that's not the "in" thing these days. It's much more fashionable to worry about the opposition, than to play for a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I think Vardy might struggle in the group stages because our opponents will defend in numbers. Later on he might come into his own catching out more attacking teams. Pushing him too far wide is pointless anyway, may as well drop him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 On 08/06/2016 at 11:56, mozy said: The only people that point needs to be directed at are those who would play Vardy ahead of Kane as a lone striker. Not really. A lot of journos and posters on here favour a twin strike force of Vardy and Kane. The difficulty with that is that normally with a twosome - and particularly if you're operating with a target man - one of the strikers has a more withdrawn, creative role, and that's not Vardy's strength. He operates on the line of the last defender. The other problem is you're then back in the territory of 4-4-2, which international teams find easy to counter, and you can end up getting overrun in central midfield. Plus that isn't the way this team has been playing, and we don't have out and out wingers in the squad, unless you count Sterling. If you're going for some version of 4-3-3, you need players who are versatile in the two positions between midfield and striker, because they have to share the duties of both supporting your main striker and helping out their full back. With 4-4-2, those jobs are more clearly delegated to particular players. With a 4-3-3, a bit of flexibility and thinking on their feet is needed. Personally, I'd go for Rooney and Lallana. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 No-one wants us to play a 4-4-2, like you say it would be suicide with us having no wingers. If he plays both then they both need to be right upfront though otherwise what's the point? Edit: FWIW I think it should be one or the other. If Vardy is on the wing I'll not even watch the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Against Germany it was Vardy & Kane, Barkley off them, Alli left & Henderson right in that diamond. I know its a friendly, but surely better to go off what we've actually seen than theoretical ideas of what will and wont work. We could have scored 3 against Germany in 20 minutes, we overran them. Work from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Welbeck injured is actually a much bigger miss than I expected. Don't know what you've got till it's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Welbeck one side, Sterling the other, Alli in behind would have been my choices I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Welbeck is a big tube of Pritt Stick in that he makes teams and formations work, especially from that left sided role. He's almost the complete opposite of Rooney in that his general play is brilliant, but he doesn't get to take the 85th minute penalties that recover you from the rest of the game of shit, and get you your match rating of 7 for sucking off Martin Samuel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootGol Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Will woy start Dier in midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 On 09/06/2016 at 00:47, ShootGol said: Will woy start Dier in midfield? Yes, it'll be dier and Henderson as a 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Canny feature in today's Shortlist about Euro 96. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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