McDog Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 a knee to the balls seems reasonable to me but we should set limits for PL refs. like, the players' club name has to start with "manchester" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Chris_R said: Unless I'm missing your point, I think that's nonsense. There's rugby towns in the UK where rugby is as popular and the fans as passionate as in most footballing towns. India, Pakistan, and Australia get massive, fanatical cricket crowds. Yet you still don't see this. It happens in football simply because it's allowed to happen in football. And it could be stopped in football very easily, starting tomorrow, if we wanted to stop it. Rugby Union is still overwhelmingly a middle class sport - the majority of England capped players even since the game turned professional went to fee paying / selective schools. This is changing but there’s a code in rugby that’s probably learnt from an early age. I don’t think you can directly compare football and rugby union players (or supporters for that matter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Chris_R said: It's not 'blatantly extreme' though. What would you expect if someone started verbally abusing and then pushed the referee in a snooker match? Or cricket? Darts? Why is it more acceptable in football? It's not 'the passion' or 'the heat of the moment', because rugby players somehow manage to not do it. Ever. They call the ref 'sir' and never backchat at all. It's more acceptable in football only because we've allowed it to be more acceptable. These incidents are a self-fulfilling consequence. They can be stopped if we want to stop them though, but it requires tough action to create a mindset change. It basically never happens in football. Referees being pushed and then screamed at isn’t a massive issue in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, OCOCOL said: Rugby Union is still overwhelmingly a middle class sport - the majority of England capped players even since the game turned professional went to fee paying / selective schools. This is changing but there’s a code in rugby that’s probably learnt from an early age. I don’t think you can directly compare football and rugby union players (or supporters for that matter) Book every footballer, every time, for each instance of dissent, starting today. Are you seriously telling me that won't completely stamp out dissent by the end of the month? It's a behaviour, a choice. Rugby players aren't done special breed of human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: It basically never happens in football. Referees being pushed and then screamed at isn’t a massive issue in the Premier League. You couldn't be anymore wrong. Every fan I talk to can't stand the histrionics of football players when they harangue the referee. In fact I think you're in a minority of one who think it's not an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Rod said: You couldn't be anymore wrong. Every fan I talk to can't stand the histrionics of football players when they harangue the referee. In fact I think you're in a minority of one who think it's not an issue. You’re mixing up players surrounding the referee with players pushing and then screaming at a referee. I’m not sure how like as they’re clearly massively different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Chris_R said: Any dissent, instant yellow card. If that's 5 players surrounding the ref, book them all. You'd only have to do that for 1 or 2 weekends before everyone behaved. It's an easily solvable problem, if there's the will to do it. There's no cultural barrier out anything to do with the popularity of the sport preventing it being changed. I'm not suggesting we *should* stamp out dissent entirely, as entirely sanitising the game might change the nature of the sport at a fundamental level in a negative way, but we certainly could. And very easily, and very quickly. Just wondering, how would you argue when refs give some plain disgusting decisions if you weren't allowed to protest it? I'm not suggesting pushing or shoving, but some of the decisions make your blood boil as a spectator, can't imagine how it would feel to get jipped by a bent ref in the white hot atmosphere of a PL match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: You’re mixing up players surrounding the referee with players pushing and then screaming at a referee. I’m not sure how like as they’re clearly massively different. Still wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Looks like we have our new forum heel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rod said: Still wrong. Your craic is absolutely lifting. To add (not to you because you constantly talk shite and I’ve no real interest in engaging further), Fulham are still in with a sniff of making Europe, a 4 game ban to their talisman pretty much ends that. It’s a massive punishment and acting as though it’s some slap on the wrist, and in no way a deterrent to the gigantic issue or referees being assaulted up and down the country is complete fiction. Edited April 5, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, TRon said: Just wondering, how would you argue when refs give some plain disgusting decisions if you weren't allowed to protest it? I'm not suggesting pushing or shoving, but some of the decisions make your blood boil as a spectator, can't imagine how it would feel to get jipped by a bent ref in the white hot atmosphere of a PL match. "If you weren't allowed to protest it". There lies the problem. "Oh it's a penalty to the opposition, you know what, I'm going to shout at the referee, that'll teach him". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: Your craic is absolutely lifting. To add (not to you because you constantly talk shite and I’ve no real interest in engaging further), Fulham are still in with a sniff of making Europe, a 4 game ban to their talisman pretty much ends that. It’s a massive punishment and acting as though it’s some slap on the wrist, and in no way a deterrent to the gigantic issue or referees being assaulted up and down the country is complete fiction. Great craic..... ya boring fecker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Not read the debate, 8 is more than enough. If there are escalations in treatment of officials, then take the bans upwards from 8. I already think 8 is harsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 The 8 game thing is misleading it’s 3 games for Red Card (standard) 3 games for physically manhandling referee (about right - could be more) And 2 games for verbal abuse (Seems fair) I don’t see anything excessive there … I can see why they are pushing for more games (probably for the physical abuse). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Exiled in Texas said: The 8 game thing is misleading it’s 3 games for Red Card (standard) 3 games for physically manhandling referee (about right - could be more) And 2 games for verbal abuse (Seems fair) I don’t see anything excessive there … I can see why they are pushing for more games (probably for the physical abuse). It wasn’t really physical abuse though was it. A tiny pull/shove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, Shadow Puppets said: It wasn’t really physical abuse though was it. A tiny pull/shove. Hand on the referee- yes that’s physical abuse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: It wasn’t really physical abuse though was it. A tiny pull/shove. It is, keep your hands off the ref at all times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 It’s honestly a joke that Klopp gets one game for his behaviour and somehow 8 isn’t enough for Mitro. If you want players to respect officials you have to start with managers and get them to behave like grown up men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Can’t put Hands on the referee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Exiled in Texas said: Hand on the referee- yes that’s physical abuse No, no it’s not. Else players would be screaming physical abuse 20 times every game. It’s stupid what he did because everyone knows you can’t touch the ref, but no it’s not “abuse”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Disappointing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Just now, FloydianMag said: https://x.com/deadlinedaylive/status/1703061915105128850?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Disappointing why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Just now, Elliottman said: why? After all the love he expressed for the toon and the area…… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Saw the highlights of them smashing someone 6-1 yesterday. Seemed to be loving getting to play with Neymar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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