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He had a lack of options on the bench as he took too many defenders. It was a squad full of centre backs and full backs pushed on

 

Henderson was in midfield on his own at times.  Ali out of position and lingard largely invisible.  Having shelvey or even Wiltshire *(Not a big fan) he could have pushed Ali up closer to Kane where he plays for Spurs

 

France and Croatia both play with target men in Giroud and Mandzukic.  Taking a Carroll type doesn't mean your a long ball team. He would have been a better option than an injured Kane and instead we went out with a whimper.  Three centre backs marking a 32 year old fat niall Quinn whilst we got over run continually in midfield 

 

Croatia worked us out other teams will

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Croatia worked us out other teams will

 

it was always the pre-tournament worry - that once we played a decent team we'd not be able to play the same game and struggle to adjust, exactly what happened

 

important thing now is that southgate learns from this, the giroud example is a good one tbf...he can have his principles but very few teams in the world can win tournaments by simply out-footballing everyone they play

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Yeah the team definitely needed something more in the midfield. 2nd to last in shots on target per 90 minutes at 0.9.  Only team that was worse in that category was Iran. Tells me that the set piece taking was great and efficiency. Its too bad that there wasnt more in the midfield to get that shot on target stat closer to middle of the pack...probably would have been playing later today.

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Croatia worked us out other teams will

 

it was always the pre-tournament worry - that once we played a decent team we'd not be able to play the same game and struggle to adjust, exactly what happened

 

important thing now is that southgate learns from this, the giroud example is a good one tbf...he can have his principles but very few teams in the world can win tournaments by simply out-footballing everyone they play

 

That'll be the problem though as it would be nice if he does,  he's laid a good foundation for the team to do better, he seems a thinker too. I just hope his limitations don't stop him developing the team going forward, as i think that be the problem, his limitations.

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Those interviews always tend to come just before a red card in my experience. [emoji38] I hope not obviously, he's been mint for ages now.

 

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Hasn't had much success with free kicks and I think his lack of confidence showed when he let Kenedy take over for the second half, then he should definitely have stepped up for the penalty. Cost us the win with that decision or lack of it.

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Hasn't had much success with free kicks and I think his lack of confidence showed when he let Kenedy take over for the second half, then he should definitely have stepped up for the penalty. Cost us the win with that decision or lack of it.

 

:lol:

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Hasn't had much success with free kicks and I think his lack of confidence showed when he let Kenedy take over for the second half, then he should definitely have stepped up for the penalty. Cost us the win with that decision or lack of it.

 

:lol:

 

Tbf, I said that before Rafa had cleared it up that Kenedy was the designated penalty taker. I do think Shelvey looks unlikely to score from the free kicks as well, not many of them seem to come off.

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Hasn't had much success with free kicks and I think his lack of confidence showed when he let Kenedy take over for the second half, then he should definitely have stepped up for the penalty. Cost us the win with that decision or lack of it.

 

:lol:

 

Tbf, I said that before Rafa had cleared it up that Kenedy was the designated penalty taker. I do think Shelvey looks unlikely to score from the free kicks as well, not many of them seem to come off.

 

Got it :thup: was going to say.

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Still wish he would look for simple passes more often.

 

I get the feeling he's under instruction to play the long ball. Rafa doesn't seem to trust our players ability to bring the ball out with short passing, obviously he doesn't think a lot of them are good enough to do it. I think he's got a point if the game against Cardiff is any indicator.

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Still wish he would look for simple passes more often.

 

I get the feeling he's under instruction to play the long ball. Rafa doesn't seem to trust our players ability to bring the ball out with short passing, obviously he doesn't think a lot of them are good enough to do it. I think he's got a point if the game against Cardiff is any indicator.

 

Definitely the plan is to get the ball forward quickly, it's our chosen style. I would love us to stroke it around more as well, especially against the shit teams. Maybe we will once a few more of the new signings come in and confidence increases a bit. 

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Still wish he would look for simple passes more often.

 

I get the feeling he's under instruction to play the long ball. Rafa doesn't seem to trust our players ability to bring the ball out with short passing, obviously he doesn't think a lot of them are good enough to do it. I think he's got a point if the game against Cardiff is any indicator.

 

Definitely the plan is to get the ball forward quickly, it's our chosen style. I would love us to stroke it around more as well, especially against the shit teams. Maybe we will once a few more of the new signings come in and confidence increases a bit. 

 

Doesn’t work though when you have players up front who are not exactly very quick

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Still wish he would look for simple passes more often.

 

I get the feeling he's under instruction to play the long ball. Rafa doesn't seem to trust our players ability to bring the ball out with short passing, obviously he doesn't think a lot of them are good enough to do it. I think he's got a point if the game against Cardiff is any indicator.

 

Definitely the plan is to get the ball forward quickly, it's our chosen style. I would love us to stroke it around more as well, especially against the shit teams. Maybe we will once a few more of the new signings come in and confidence increases a bit. 

 

Doesn’t work though when you have players up front who are not exactly very quick

 

It might be because he's worried that our players aren't good enough to get it upfield by passing it regardless. You need defenders and midfielders who can bring the ball out, if they lose it then we are under pressure in our own half. I got the feeling it was a defensive measure as much as an attacking one.

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Because he's got 0 goals and 0 assists and we're currently sitting in the relegation zone? Football fans and writers generally have short memories, so not at all surprised to see the rhetoric change from "he should be in the England team" to now not being even considered.

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Still wish he would look for simple passes more often.

 

this is what he's most improved on imo, he used to take the ball and fuck about looking for a hollywood pass...now when he takes the ball generally his head is up and he's looking for a forward pass short or long

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