Tiresias Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I do think some managers get a lot of stick for everything wrong at clubs, often, it's a case of bad fit. Often you have a club who are a shambles internally right through, like Sunderland and us until Benitez. You either succeeded (in terms of staying in the job nothing else) here like Pardew did by sucking up to the owner to excuse the lack of results and infectious lack of ambition, or you tried to change things, which I think McClaren probably tried a bit with the right intentions but had nowhere near the leverage Benitez had (and not would he ever have been as good at it), but I do remember them bringing in Cathro at the time and trying to make it look like a clean sweep. Same with players, you get a bunch of toxic players, and there is way too much player power clearly, and they want a manager out the club is going to underperform. Some managers need control of everything, others need a full set of coaches etc and a hands on chief executive and are best just handling the matches on the day. It's why sometimes the old bitterness of managers not being given enough time is both true, but frustrating for fans at clubs because clearly managers aren't always the right fit and no amount of games will change that. Sometimes patience is of course needed. As for Moyes at Sunderland? Probably right fit in the long term, think he suits underdog team more than Man U ever, but he won't get the support in terms of transfers from the owners and he's too honest to pretend to be happy about it so I can't see him lasting much longer if things carry on as they are. I think maybe rather than waiting for a rescue job like Sunderland he needed to take a pay cut and go take on a project at a championship team and take them up, like Benitez clearly saw the opportunity to do with us. (He is not as good as Benitez mind, he's clearly one of those fairly average premier league managers like Mark Hughes who given the backing will deliver you 8th, Man U has scuppered him in many ways) I enjoy laughing at Sunderland so I hope he can't lift them any further, but I think he'll get them safe then walk when he gets no transfer budget. The mackems will try sending him flowers and stuff to get him to stay again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Blind. Literally. He is aye. He lives just down the road from me in Annfield Plain. He often gets into one of the local bars (The Coach and Horses) and his crack is utter turd when it comes to NUFC. Anyone that used to listen to the 3 legends radio show will probably think the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 A couple of them seem very "unbothered" that Newcastle are on Sky more than they are. http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/sky-fixtures.1309098/ One of them even "laughed out loud". I just laughed out loud. Same league as Barnsley and Burton. Huddersfield can do the double over them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 They're 18th Lightyears from playing burton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Stadium looked half empty on MOTD, must be struggling to even give tickets away nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 they got battered in the first half, got lucky again these fucking turds will never flush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Aye, they will stay up. They are keeping themselves in it now and not falling behind and making it up at the last minute like they usually do. There's some fight there and as long as Defoe stays fit they'll stay up. Worse teams will save them too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 They will go down with Hull and Swansea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hull and Swansea are just asking to go down the way they are being run. Can't get my head round why there owners would carry on like they have when its just going to end one way One of mackems or Burnley will join them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hull and Swansea are just asking to go down the way they are being run. Can't get my head round why there owners would carry on like they have when its just going to end one way One of mackems or Burnley will join them. They're, their, there, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hull and Swansea are just asking to go down the way they are being run. Can't get my head round why there owners would carry on like they have when its just going to end one way One of mackems or Burnley will join them. They're, their, there, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Might deploying Adnan Januzaj in the hole be the way forward for Sunderland’s Manchester United loanee? It certainly looked that way as David Moyes switched to 4-2-3-1 with the hitherto underwhelming Januzaj behind Jermain Defoe and flanked by Fabio Borini and the influential Victor Anichebe. Januzaj enjoyed the best game of his Wearside secondment as Sunderland’s survival hopes were sustained and, once again, Jordan Pickford shone in goal. Excellent with hands and, significantly, feet, could Pickford end up as a key element of Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City revolution? With Sunderland £140m in debt, shouldering a £73m wage bill and in peril of contravening Premier League remuneration cap rules, Moyes, who is lacking nine injured senior players, needs to sell either Pickford or Lamine Koné (whose contract contains a £25m release clause) next month in order to introduce new faces. It is a harsh, stark choice https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/dec/19/premier-league-ten-talking-points-weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobS Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 hahaha that makes great reading. Hope they sink like a stone never to come back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. He's been lucky, not good. In 3 of their 4 wins they were still 2nd best team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Have they got a freak win against one of the big clubs in them like in recent seasons? They just seem to try to set up to hang in games against them this season which they're not enough at doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. Did he sign Defoe or Aanholt? If not, I don't see why he should take any credit for them winning game after game with the only attacking threat they seem to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. Did he sign Defoe or Aanholt? If not, I don't see why he should take any credit for them winning game after game with the only attacking threat they seem to have. So no manager should get any credit if they didn't sign the player/s that's scoring goals? He did bring in Anichebe for what it's worth which seems to have helped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't really understand the logic like. So Steve McClaren cannot take any credit for taking Derby from 20th to 7th? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Rafa can't take any credit from Lascelles and Shelvey's performance this season because he didn't sign them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It's a disgrace Ranieri was given the Coach of the Year award last night ahead of Nigel Pearson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Sorry but I don't think Moyes has made much difference regardless of what Rafa or Ranieri have done, it's ike comparing apples and oranges. Anichebe might have given them just enough extra to grab a win here or there, but Defoe or van Aanholt would be doing exactly the same regardless of whether Moyes was in charge or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Don't think it so much about who signed who, more is the current manager getting the most out of what he's got; or getting more out of them than previous incumbents. Thankfully (from what I've heard from a dyed in the wool macnamara mate) I haven't seen enough of them to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. He's been lucky, not good. In 3 of their 4 wins they were still 2nd best team. I thinks he's currently squeezing the most he can get out of a very meagre bunch of players through a very unambitious style of play. None of their recent victories were particularly convincing displays and on Saturday they performed to their optimum and just scraped a fortunate win against Watford. There will be occasional wins but not many playing that way, however the teams around them who are playing more adventurously won't get many either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home. He's been lucky, not good. In 3 of their 4 wins they were still 2nd best team. totally this, Watford should have been out of sight, Mackems were dog shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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