Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Fuck that Agreed, terrible ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Which other teams should we use as comparison for spending 10s of millions of pounds when they were relegated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. We finished 20 points ahead of Villa last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 f*** that Expecting anything else will be totally unreasonable as we'll be up against clubs who have had the sky money to spend while we'll have peanuts from the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Fuck that rafa will be aiming for top half imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. We finished 20 points ahead of Villa last season We were only 8 ahead when McClaren left like, and in abysmal form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 f*** that Expecting anything else will be totally unreasonable as we'll be up against clubs who have had the sky money to spend while we'll have peanuts from the Championship. Rafa isn't going to be happy with just avoiding relegation and neither should we Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 We finished 20 points ahead of Villa last season When Rafa arrived we were 8 points ahead of Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 f*** that Expecting anything else will be totally unreasonable as we'll be up against clubs who have had the sky money to spend while we'll have peanuts from the Championship. Not having that like, back Rafa and mid-table at least should be the aim. Rafa will of course want to be much higher! What we spend and how we spend it will make or break us next season. Give Rafa 100m for example and I am certain we can forget about a relegation fight and mere mid-table. Expect a Europa League push at the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 f*** that Expecting anything else will be totally unreasonable as we'll be up against clubs who have had the sky money to spend while we'll have peanuts from the Championship. Agreed. Guaranteed a lot of our fans will moan about how we've had expectations lowered or whatever by Ashley but it's just being realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Rafa isn't going to be happy with just avoiding relegation and neither should we I'm fairly sure that if he's still here his target will be to stay up and if we do I'll see that as success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Not having that like, back Rafa and mid-table at least should be the aim. Rafa will of course want to be much higher! What we spend and how we spend it will make or break us next season. Give Rafa 100m for example and I am certain we can forget about a relegation fight and mere mid-table. Expect a Europa League push at the least. We're likely to be at a massive financial disadvantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Neesy, there's not a single defense of Ashley at all in the comparisons to the struggling former PL sides in this division. Your argument seems solely focused on we have spent ton of money and have highest wages so therefore we should be free and clear and promoted. No idea why you find the need to complain about every little thing all the damn time, my man. Relax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Rafa isn't going to be happy with just avoiding relegation and neither should we I'm fairly sure that if he's still here his target will be to stay up and if we do I'll see that as success. Nah, he will want more than that like. If that is his aim he will no longer have the required ambition that makes him prior to us one of the best in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 We finished 20 points ahead of Villa last season When Rafa arrived we were 8 points ahead of Villa. That's still a lot for how many games were played at that time. Also, you didn't mention anything about who was managing us in your original post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Rafa isn't going to be happy with just avoiding relegation and neither should we I'm fairly sure that if he's still here his target will be to stay up and if we do I'll see that as success. Rafa will be gone if he doesn't get money to spend that will give us a much better team than merely being relegation battlers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. Okay, I read that wrongly the first time. We still weren't almost as bad as Villa mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Wagner and and Monk doing well doesn't detract from the fact Rafa is well on course to finish comfortably over 90 points with a side that was hurriedly thrown together. He still had over £50m to spend though, I think wasn't like he had to scrap around for bargains though. Sick of hearing this shite. We lost something like 20 players since he came in, he wasnt building a team he building an entire squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 sky is limit with Rafa but he'll need the total backing of our owner for us to achieve the success we deserve. Sure the football can be boring and overly cautious but as it stands we're 1st and on track for promotion. Rafa is rebuilding the club as quickly and effeciently as possible while keeping sole focus on getting back to the PL. Again, assuming we retain Rafa, worrying about this squad in the PL today is fucking stupid. We aren't up yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 That's still a lot for how many games were played at that time. Also, you didn't mention anything about who was managing us in your original post It's less than 1/3 of a point a game, hardly massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Neesy, there's not a single defense of Ashley at all in the comparisons to the struggling former PL sides in this division. Your argument seems solely focused on we have spent ton of money and have highest wages so therefore we should be free and clear and promoted. No idea why you find the need to complain about every little thing all the damn time, my man. Relax. I'm complaining about how people think Rafa is some king which you described him as earlier. He's doing about as good of a job I'd expect others with similar resources available to him to do. Btw, I've never liked the bloke so I'll always will be in the negative camp with him. I won't change that opinion but having an opposite opinion on here is never totally respected as has been seen many a time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 With Rafa under the right conditions you are looking at a manager capable of winning the Premier League, remember that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 and despite that £50m we can barely piece together an 11 of players that are capable ffs, that alone should tell you how absolutely awful a state we were in as a club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 With Rafa under the right conditions you are looking at a manager capable of winning the Premier League, remember that! ok mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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