Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 He has the highest wage budget by a mile. I like Rafa but he's hardly doing an exceptional job, like what Wagner and monk are doing imo considering their constraints. We don't get points for the wage bill, Rafa is doing as good a job as anybody could be doing. Wagner has had no pressure to work under until recently and they're seriously faltering now that the pressure is on. Huddersfield play the ball around well but they haven't got a plan B and are paying the price for that now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Wagner and and Monk doing well doesn't detract from the fact Rafa is well on course to finish comfortably over 90 points with a side that was hurriedly thrown together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Wagner and and Monk doing well doesn't detract from the fact Rafa is well on course to finish comfortably over 90 points with a side that was hurriedly thrown together. He still had over £50m to spend though, I think wasn't like he had to scrap around for bargains though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Neesy there is zero pressure on the other sides, the whole world has its eyes on Rafa and NUFC this season and he and we are dealing with it magnificently to be honest. I expected us to be many more points ahead and playing much better football, but the reality is different and sometimes fans need to ground themselves in that as managers and players should too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 To build a new team in the time he has takes skill and he has done well to do that. Just look at Aston Villa. Similar situation, spent heavily. Been shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Neesy there is zero pressure on the other sides, the whole world has its eyes on Rafa and NUFC this season and he and we are dealing with it magnificently to be honest. I expected us to be many more points ahead and playing much better football, but the reality is different and sometimes fans need to ground themselves in that as managers and players should too. Then it shows how bad the squad is though, i believe the best in life thrive on pressure if our team is buckling because of it it's a very bad sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Neesy there is zero pressure on the other sides, the whole world has its eyes on Rafa and NUFC this season and he and we are dealing with it magnificently to be honest. I expected us to be many more points ahead and playing much better football, but the reality is different and sometimes fans need to ground themselves in that as managers and players should too. Then it shows how bad the squad is though, i believe the best in life thrive on pressure if our team is buckling because of it it's a very bad sign. They just fucking won while the biggest threat bottled it. How are we buckling in any way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 He still had over £50m to spend though, I think wasn't like he had to scrap around for bargains though. He's brought in some good players and he had to balance the squad with players who wouldn't be knocking his door down when they weren't getting games. Ritchie, Gayle and Clark have been a great signings, Hayden a good signing and Atsu is better that I expected. The biggest error in his transfers for me has been Sels, the others have done a job, even if they haven't all been spectacular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 And we're top of the league and on course to be comfortably promoted. He's done exactly what was expected of him. I mean aye, you can argue Wagner has 'done better' with his resources but it's not really a fair argument considering he's still 10 points behind with a 4 goal positive difference. It wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility that Rafa would have done the same if not better had he been managing Huddersfield, and that Wagner would have us outside of the automatics if he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 To build a new team in the time he has takes skill and he has done well to do that. Just look at Aston Villa. Similar situation, spent heavily. Been shite. 4 of the 11 that started today we're benitez signings. It's not like we've completely overhauled the squad. I would say that's standard for any team going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 And we're top of the league and on course to be comfortably promoted. He's done exactly what was expected of him. I mean aye, you can argue Wagner has 'done better' with his resources but it's not really a fair argument considering he's still 10 points behind with a 4 goal positive difference. It wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility that Rafa would have done the same if not better had he been managing Huddersfield, and that Wagner would have us outside of the automatics if he was here. Rafa has had to turn the whole club and fanbase around and he's done that seamlessly, he's been just what we needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Building a new team isn't just about new signings. He has had to take a club and set of players that has been a laughing stock for years, with no hope or ambition and turn them into a functioning team. That is not easy given how rotten things have been at this football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 They are not buckling though, they are keeping us top despite the huge pressure and demands. Some of which comes from their own manager! This is a totally different team from last season, thrown together ad hoc almost for the sole purpose of promotion and that is going to be the likely outcome. We look like we will limp over the line which given certain parameters will be disappointing (spend, manager, fan base, club name etc.), but given other criteria (Pardew, Carver, McClaren, Ashley, years of neglect etc.) it could be far worse. See Villa, Norwich et al. Rafa's job is to take us up and he looks like he is well on the way to doing that. Forget about the football or tactics for a moment and indeed our slender lead and look at the club itself and what has happened, that's the bigger success. Fan reconnect for a start. I'm living proof. I give a f*** for the first time in years and years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Building a new team isn't just about new signings. He has had to take a club and set of players that has been a laughing stock for years, with no hope or ambition and turn them into a functioning team. That is not easy given how rotten things have been at this football club. Aye. See Aston Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which fucking just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 what's pathetic is knocking Benitez's achievement this season because some German bloke had Huddersfield on a good run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Spot on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Get off the forum, have a beer and some tapas and enjoy the rest of your holiday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Fuck that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Don't see the point in analysing how Rafa is doing until next season. The football is boring but if we do well next season it will be forgotten If we get promoted this season the only target for next season should be to stay up. The season after is where we'll see what he's really capable of if we're playing in the Premiership. Fuck that Agreed, terrible ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Which other teams should we use as comparison for spending 10s of millions of pounds when they were relegated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm sorry but the villa comparison is pathetic, it's the worst case scenario which f***ing just about everyone in this forum loves to use about us this season. The fascination with them is embarrassing. Using that example is a case for the defence for Ashley in saying how bad things could be if he sold up. Are you blind? We were almost as bad as Villa were last season and we were in total turmoil until Rafa came in. We finished 20 points ahead of Villa last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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