Newcastle United transfer rumours in the press

[Kaizero]

We don't have many good players. Shelvey is a top Championship team player, at best. We need to improve on players like Shelvey. If you look at stats (which I know some people hate and others love), he's barely doing more for the team than Joselu when he's on the pitch.

 

Naturally, if we sell him to not get someone better in, it's suicide.

[Alberto2005]

Hayden has the same pass accuracy, better shot accuracy, zero red cards, for starters.

 

Shelvey has created three more chances though, to be fair to him.

'Zero red cards'

 

Clutching at straws there.

 

If he has the same pass accuracy then he needs to seriously improve it because 90% of Hayden's passes are 5 yards or less whereas a large chunk of Shelvey's are 40-50 yards.

 

Shelvey on average passes 7 metres longer than Hayden. Hayden in turns plays in a more defensive position, so it's only natural he passes shorter.

Course he does, he isn't capable of making telling passes forward.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

He’s shit man

[Infinitely Content]

He’s s*** man

 

Just so blatantly wrong that's it's not even worth engaging you on why 

[Kaizero]

He’s s*** man

 

Just so blatantly wrong that's it's not even worth engaging you on why 

 

Stats don't lie. Neither does eyes. He's much more of a liability than an asset. Would be happy to see the end of him (if we replace him).

[triggs]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

[Infinitely Content]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

Erm, you said it yourself - passing... 

 

When we're actually playing on the front foot and have possession for decent stints, Shelvey is comfortably the best & most talented player in our squad.

[Kaizero]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Atsu, Merino and Diame this season. (Aarons as well in his few appereances).

[Greg]

People are seriously advocating getting rid of Shelvey? Have you seen the quality of our squad? Do you trust Mike Ashley to fund even a like or like (ability wise) replacement?

 

We need more quality, to join the squad and compete with Shelvey. He's one of the more talented players in our squad, playing in a team with little quality. He's more than capable at this level with better players around him.

[Infinitely Content]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

[Kaizero]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

[Infinitely Content]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

 

And using your eyes, the best passer in our team is?

[Kaizero]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

 

And using your eyes, the best passer in our team is?

 

Merino, by a country mile.

[Greg]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

How many of our games have you been at this season? Not being funny but you really don't see the full picture when watching on TV.

[Infinitely Content]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

 

And using your eyes, the best passer in our team is?

 

Merino, by a country mile.

 

Really? I reckon there's much more evidence pointing to Shelvey like, Merino looks good, but bar 2 or 3 passes I don't think you can really base your statement on any tangible evidence thus far.

[Kaizero]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

And even then, as mentioned, his pass completion percentage is lower than Hayden, Merino and Diame.

 

And this is a perfect example of why stats don't give you the full picture.

 

Which is why I use my eyes as well. Can't wait until he's stinking up another team instead of us.

 

And using your eyes, the best passer in our team is?

 

Merino, by a country mile.

 

Really? I reckon there's much more evidence pointing to Shelvey like, Merino looks good, but bar 2 or 3 passes I don't think you can really base your statement on any tangible evidence thus far.

 

His pass completion and chance creation stats are fairly conclusive to back up my argument.

[Infinitely Content]

Again, stats can be misleading. Jamie Carragher's pass completion was 90%+, doesn't mean he was finding killer balls or springing his team forward with quick decisive passes. High pass completion doesn't mean the player particularly excels in the passing area of their game. I bet Colback's was canny high too, all backwards.

[Kaizero]

Again, stats can be misleading. Jamie Carragher's pass completion was 90%+, doesn't mean he was finding killer balls or springing his team forward with quick decisive passes. High pass completion doesn't mean the player particularly excels in the passing area of their game. I bet Colback's was canny high too, all backwards.

 

See my other point, "chance creation"

[Dave]

People are seriously advocating getting rid of Shelvey? Have you seen the quality of our squad? Do you trust Mike Ashley to fund even a like or like (ability wise) replacement?

 

We need more quality, to join the squad and compete with Shelvey. He's one of the more talented players in our squad, playing in a team with little quality. He's more than capable at this level with better players around him.

 

Agree, even though I think he's a moron.

[triggs]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

Erm, you said it yourself - passing... 

 

When we're actually playing on the front foot and have possession for decent stints, Shelvey is comfortably the best & most talented player in our squad.

Ah right, I thought when you said "areas" which is plural you might be talking about more than one area. Silly me

[Guest Hog]

Weakening the thin depth of our squad at this point in the season, with the shit we're currently in, would be beyond ridiculous 

[Infinitely Content]

Again, stats can be misleading. Jamie Carragher's pass completion was 90%+, doesn't mean he was finding killer balls or springing his team forward with quick decisive passes. High pass completion doesn't mean the player particularly excels in the passing area of their game. I bet Colback's was canny high too, all backwards.

 

See my other point, "chance creation"

 

Shelvey creates plenty of chances tbh, his passes from deep out to the wings for Yedlin/Ritchie create such a high percentage of our goals in the last year. I'd like to know more about this chance creation stat you're referring to, and more so how it's decided. Say Shelvey finds a killer ball for Yedlin on the wing who crosses it into the box for one of our attackers. I would hazard a guess that Yedlin would be attributed with creating the chance, when really it wouldn't have been possible without the initial pass from Shelvey.

[Infinitely Content]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

Erm, you said it yourself - passing... 

 

When we're actually playing on the front foot and have possession for decent stints, Shelvey is comfortably the best & most talented player in our squad.

Ah right, I thought when you said "areas" which is plural you might be talking about more than one area. Silly me

 

Terribly sorry friend.

 

Vision would be another, which is a separate attribute to passing, although they go hand-in-hand. His vision is out of this world at times. Brilliant.

[Kaizero]

Shelvey this weeks villain I see 

 

He's quite blatantly better than pretty much all the players mentioned in the past few posts. Certain areas of his game are near enough second to none, why do Newcastle fans self-sabotage so much? He's not perfect, obviously, but he doesn't need to be ffs, we're a lower to mid-table (at best) Premier League club at present, we should be appreciating decent players like Shelvey not holding weird grudges against them.

What areas of his game are second to none? He's a good passer, that's it

 

Erm, you said it yourself - passing... 

 

When we're actually playing on the front foot and have possession for decent stints, Shelvey is comfortably the best & most talented player in our squad.

Ah right, I thought when you said "areas" which is plural you might be talking about more than one area. Silly me

 

Terribly sorry friend.

 

Vision would be another, which is a separate attribute to passing, although they go hand-in-hand. His vision is out of this world at times. Brilliant.

 

You're seriously suggesting Shelvey has better vision than Merino when it comes to passes? What? What?!

[Infinitely Content]

Absolutely.