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I still think Lascelles should have been given offside. If Diame's shot misses the defender and the keeper saves it and the ball ends up at Lascelles feet then Lascelles is given offside. Just because it hits the defender doesn't mean he shouldn't be given offside because he's still offside from Diame's shot

Yeah it does. The rules state that it's a different phrase of play, and also if it hits off defender then you can't be offside when the last touch was off an opposition player.

 

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

- rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

- been deliberately saved by any opponent

 

To be fair it was deliberately saved by an opponent :lol:

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I still think Lascelles should have been given offside. If Diame's shot misses the defender and the keeper saves it and the ball ends up at Lascelles feet then Lascelles is given offside. Just because it hits the defender doesn't mean he shouldn't be given offside because he's still offside from Diame's shot

Yeah it does. The rules state that it's a different phrase of play, and also if it hits off defender then you can't be offside when the last touch was off an opposition player.

 

I'm pretty sure that last bit isn't true. If I'm a right winger and crossing the ball to a striker (in an offside position) but the cross takes a slight deflection off an opposition player and the striker scores from the cross then the striker's given offside, despite the ball coming off an opposition player last

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Does the fact it comes off the Wolves player effect anything regarding phase of play?

 

No that doesn't count as the ball is moving forward from the shot, hitting the Wolves player as it does doesn't mean Lascelles becomes onside, that's not how it works.  Lascelles is offside as he comes back from an offside position from the first shot and lays it off for Mitro to score .

 

Couldn't care less to be honest, it counted and we've had our share of shocking decision in the past. Nice for one to go our way like.

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I still think Lascelles should have been given offside. If Diame's shot misses the defender and the keeper saves it and the ball ends up at Lascelles feet then Lascelles is given offside. Just because it hits the defender doesn't mean he shouldn't be given offside because he's still offside from Diame's shot

Yeah it does. The rules state that it's a different phrase of play, and also if it hits off defender then you can't be offside when the last touch was off an opposition player.

 

The ball hitting the Wolves player on it's way toward the goal doesn't make it another phase of play in this instance. It's pretty clear it's offside, otherwise going by what you think players could stand anywhere behind defenders in an offside position (not in the GK eyeline) and hope a deflection from a shot makes them active.

 

That would be ridiculous now wouldn't it.

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Aye surely phases of play only matters for things like obstruction/obstructing the opporsition's view and not when the ball actually falls to the offside payer?

 

In this instance the ball goes (indirectly) from Diame to Lascelles (who was offside), seems a pretty obvious offside. Had the Wolves player been in moderate control of the ball and played it to Lascelles it would be another phase of play.

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