Other clubs' transfers

[GeordieT]

57 minutes ago, Menace said:

Who the feck are sports zone

Fairly widely reported now. Although seems they are wide apart on valuation.

[mighty__mag]

9 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

I just don't get how they can continue to consistently spend and be unaffected, obviously it's a rumour, but allegedly 60m is the price.

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

I just don't get how they can continue to consistently spend and be unaffected, obviously it's a rumour, but allegedly 60m is the price.

Two reasons, selling the youth talent pool they’ve spent 2 decades building. And gaming of FFP and its restrictions including long contracts so the fee is accounted for over a longer period of time and other related party transactions. 

[mighty__mag]

6 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Two reasons, selling the youth talent pool they’ve spent 2 decades building. And gaming of FFP and its restrictions including long contracts so the fee is accounted for over a longer period of time and other related party transactions. 

 

But I thought the eight year amortisation contract loophole was stopped?

[r0cafella]

Just now, mighty__mag said:

 

But I thought the eight year amortisation contract loophole was stopped?

It was but they still got what? 300-400m out of it. 

[mighty__mag]

Just now, r0cafella said:

It was but they still got what? 300-400m out of it. 

 

I get all that, but I'm convinced they're going to be over if they keep it up, at this point now surely they will need to sell,they're devaluing most of their signings bar Palmer. 

 

It's so risky 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, mighty__mag said:

 

I get all that, but I'm convinced they're going to be over if they keep it up, at this point now surely they will need to sell,they're devaluing most of their signings bar Palmer. 

 

It's so risky 

Seems to hinge on the hotel sale which the PL still haven’t decided on. Also; the historic breaches which they self reported under Roman, that for some reason is also still pending which is fucking weird given they self reported. 
 

As daft as I know this sounds, the only reason clubs like city and Chelsea resort to this nonsense is due to the stupid FFP rules. 

[Gawalls]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Seems to hinge on the hotel sale which the PL still haven’t decided on. Also; the historic breaches which they self reported under Roman, that for some reason is also still pending which is fucking weird given they self reported. 
 

As daft as I know this sounds, the only reason clubs like city and Chelsea resort to this nonsense is due to the stupid FFP rules. 

Stupid rules or not they exist there for everyone so everyone needs to abide and I’m sorry but the hotel stunt was dodgy as fuck. If Forest and the rest have been punished I hope they do.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

Stupid rules or not they exist there for everyone so everyone needs to abide and I’m sorry but the hotel stunt was dodgy as fuck. If Forest and the rest have been punished I hope they do.

I’m not keen on conspiracy theories that x team would be punished etc. I understand your sentiment though, I think ultimately the PL needs to decide if it’s acceptable or not and let’s not forget the PL = sum of the members. 
 

I think at minimum they should be able to sell the hotels and obviously book the profit, but in no way should any form of income be allowed from a sold asset and that’s a loophole which needs addressing. 

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I’m not keen on conspiracy theories that x team would be punished etc. I understand your sentiment though, I think ultimately the PL needs to decide if it’s acceptable or not and let’s not forget the PL = sum of the members. 
 

I think at minimum they should be able to sell the hotels and obviously book the profit, but in no way should any form of income be allowed from a sold asset and that’s a loophole which needs addressing. 

Apparently they tried to close the loophole but it failed the vote - only got 11 out of 20 votes. They’ve tried the vote a few times now and can’t get it through.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by Gawalls

[r0cafella]

Just now, Gawalls said:

Apparently they tried to close the loophole but it failed the vote - only got 11 out of 20 votes. They’ve tried the vote a few times now and can’t get it through.

 

 

 

Yeah, so we can only conclude the majority of the members are perfectly happy to continue as they are. 
 

I think the most depressing aspect of modern football is that us fans do not matter what one bit; apart from to be milked or course. Our opinions on any subject relating to our teams are simply irrelevant to the owners and these kind of votes are such a perfect example of it. 

[Ginola14]

bbc: it is understood Manchester United have already agreed personal terms with the player’s representatives and intend to speak to Everton once the window opens. But the Toffees are not keen on selling and would want in excess of £80m.

 

is it now normal for clubs to agree personal terms with a player and have this widely reported before clubs agree a deal? 

 

or is this just the MU way? 

 

good way to unsettle the player I suppose 

 

Hope Everton rinse them for every penny 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by Ginola14

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

bbc: it is understood Manchester United have already agreed personal terms with the player’s representatives and intend to speak to Everton once the window opens. But the Toffees are not keen on selling and would want in excess of £80m.

 

is it now normal for clubs to agree personal terms with a player and have this widely reported before clubs agree a deal? 

 

or is this just the MU way? 

 

good way to unsettle the player I suppose 

 

Hope Everton rinse them for every penny 

 

 

 

We’ve allegedly done it with Trafford so throwing no rocks here. It’s the murky way it works.

[Keegans Export]

2 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

bbc: it is understood Manchester United have already agreed personal terms with the player’s representatives and intend to speak to Everton once the window opens. But the Toffees are not keen on selling and would want in excess of £80m.

 

is it now normal for clubs to agree personal terms with a player and have this widely reported before clubs agree a deal? 

 

or is this just the MU way? 

 

Hope Everton rinse them for every penny 

I think it's pretty much the done thing now, not exclusive to Man Utd 

[r0cafella]

Aye yeah, it’s the way things are done but technically it’s against the rules. 

[triggs]

5 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

bbc: it is understood Manchester United have already agreed personal terms with the player’s representatives and intend to speak to Everton once the window opens. But the Toffees are not keen on selling and would want in excess of £80m.

 

is it now normal for clubs to agree personal terms with a player and have this widely reported before clubs agree a deal? 

 

or is this just the MU way? 

 

good way to unsettle the player I suppose 

 

Hope Everton rinse them for every penny 

 

 

 

I'd say 99% of transfers are agreed with the player before the club gets involved unless the club is actively looking to sell. Would be a massive waste of time going through the whole process for the player to then reject them

[Ginola14]

fair enough so, it's a murky business 

 

still hope Everton absolutely rinse them 

[Checko]

You can speak to a player from another club with written permission from his existing club.

[TK-421]

9 hours ago, GeordieT said:

Fairly widely reported now. Although seems they are wide apart on valuation.

 

Seems that's the way Ratcliffe is gonna play it generally now then. Reach agreement with who they want then low ball on the fee.

[The College Dropout]

On 11/06/2024 at 22:22, Nobody said:

Pretty sure Brummie has said that the amortisation on Luiz is already done, so selling him is that 'pure FFP profit' that their owner talked about. 

Amortisation is never ‘done’.   KDB still has an amortised figure. It’s just very low. So you sign a player for 50m on a 5 year deal. 10m per year. But after the 3rd season you extend him for another 5 years. So 30m has been amortised with 20m left.  That 20m is then amortised over the new 5 year deal so it’s 4m per year. 
 

I think the only way a player becomes 100% amortised is if the players contract is only renewed at the very end of the contract.  
 

Luiz was signed for 15m ish iirc.  He’s played 3 or 4 of a 5 year contract (or something). So only 1/5 or 2/5 of his fee is on his book value. So the transfer is mostly book profit.  But it’s not pure profit like an academy graduate. 
 

I’ve said this before. Luiz would’ve wanted Tielemans money to stay. Thats 7.5m-10m a year.  Selling him makes sense on a lot of fronts. But the fee is so poor. 

[The College Dropout]

36 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Amortisation is never ‘done’.   KDB still has an amortised figure. It’s just very low. So you sign a player for 50m on a 5 year deal. 10m per year. But after the 3rd season you extend him for another 5 years. So 30m has been amortised with 20m left.  That 20m is then amortised over the new 5 year deal so it’s 4m per year. 
 

I think the only way a player becomes 100% amortised is if the players contract is only renewed at the very end of the contract.  
 

Luiz was signed for 15m ish iirc.  He’s played 3 or 4 of a 5 year contract (or something). So only 1/5 or 2/5 of his fee is on his book value. So the transfer is mostly book profit.  But it’s not pure profit like an academy graduate. 
 

I’ve said this before. Luiz would’ve wanted Tielemans money to stay. Thats 7.5m-10m a year.  Selling him makes sense on a lot of fronts. But the fee is so poor. 

What I don't know is -  does the additional players count as book value?

 

So £20m cash, McKennie £20m, other lad £10m. Does that make it a 50m transfer on the books?

 

If that's the case. It gets them out of PSR bother this season and unlocks a CL spending spree (the 2-3 quality players they need for the fight).

[WilliamPS]

Clubs often give permission for buyers to speak with players agents and agree terms before agreeing the transfer fee.

 

I think it helps selling clubs - the buyers know they can get the player so the seller can push for a few extra quid as the buyer is so far down the track, especially true when it’s a player that is going to be sold - and in this case Everton need to sell him

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[The Prophet]

 

[Joelinton7]

Man U low balling, well I never