Other clubs' transfers

[Froggy]

21 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

Man Utd blow huge amounts on wages and transfer fees, usually the biggest spenders in the league. I don’t like Chelsea on the pitch but recognise they are just trying to deal with the totally artificial constraints on spending which are designed to protect the spending power and profits of the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool. Good luck to them and Man City

 

Man Utd apologists will get out their calculators and make up all sorts of silly sums to pretend they aren’t the biggest transfer spenders as usual, but the truth is they will spend double NUFC in wages and transfer fees/amortisation again this year (500m+ vs 250m), and like last year, finish below. If it was a level playing field they’d finish 20 points below.

 

Correction. We used to spend huge amounts of wages and transfer fees. 3 of our 4 summer signings so far are on less money than Lloyd Kelly.

 

Our business this summer has been shrewd. We've raised over £100m by selling fringe players, and added some real quality to the squad.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

Correction. We used to spend huge amounts of wages and transfer fees. 3 of our 4 summer signings so far are on less money than Lloyd Kelly.

 

Our business this summer has been shrewd. We've raised over £100m by selling fringe players, and added some real quality to the squad.

[Chicken Dancer]

There's no way we have signed Lloyd Kelly and stuck him on £150k a week, making him our second highest earner in the process. I don't care where it says that.

 

Man United have made some decent signings, though. Remains to be seen whether they adapt or if they follow the pattern of more or less every other signing they've made in the last decade. There's been a shift in the profile/age of the signings, but they also done fuck all with Martial/Pogba/Sancho who were all young. All had moments of course and probably injuries came into it too, but they're able to write them off due to the size of the club & the commercial revenue they generate from being so big.

 

I still think it will be Ten Hag's last season, if he even makes it to the end. That being said they have a remarkable trait of being able to win a game when they really need to.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

here's no way we have signed Lloyd Kelly and stuck him on £150k a week, making him our second highest earner in the process. I don't care where it says that.

 

Believe it. The most reliable wage website has it as a confirmed amount. It's also very normal for a free transfer to get much higher wages. 

 

Either way, we're handing the likes of Zirkzee contracts around £100k a week. It's a big shift from where we've been before. Young, hungry players on modest contracts. Casemiro and Rashford are currently the only two out of place on the wage structure, and Casemiro will be gone in 12 months time.

 

Just waiting until deadline day now where we signed Sterling for £40m and give him £300k a week. 

[TaylorJ_01]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not sure I've seen an example of a manager being so cold about players who have done nothing wrong. His comments almost read like satire.

 

Yes it really is bizarre. I expected at least a "not in first team plans and they will need to prove themselves to me" rather than a blanket "they are all shit and can fuck off" it's hilarious. Is it even legal?

 

 

I hope they get an injury crisis and have to call on some of them. Will be fun to watch.

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

Is it even legal?

 

Fair point to be honest. It's properly mental.

[TaylorJ_01]

Yeah, like I'm not sure you can say you'll be restricting staff from doing their job for no apparent reason. I am assuming all the contracts are full of appearance clauses, bonuses, goal targets etc.

 

Not that I have massive sympathy, but imagine the PFA will have some thoughts.

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, Froggy said:

Believe it. The most reliable wage website has it as a confirmed amount. It's also very normal for a free transfer to get much higher wages.

 

Correct, + higher signing on fees. But I just don't think we were that desperate for basically a younger Dan Burn (positionally). I can't imagine he would have been on that much at Bournemouth nor had anybody else willing to give him £150k pw. I'd guess closer to £100k maybe but I honestly refuse to believe we've been that silly. If we have then Jesus.

 

Also refuse to believe De Ligt, Mazouri & Ugarte will be on less than fucking Lloyd Kelly man  . They signed from Bayern & PSG. Just no way.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Correct, + higher signing on fees. But I just don't think we were that desperate for basically a younger Dan Burn (positionally). I can't imagine he would have been on that much at Bournemouth nor had anybody else willing to give him £150k pw. I'd guess closer to £100k maybe but I honestly refuse to believe we've been that silly. If we have then Jesus.

 

Also refuse to believe De Ligt, Mazouri & Ugarte will be on less than fucking Lloyd Kelly man  . They signed from Bayern & PSG. Just no way.

 

I said 3 out of 4 signings.   Yoro, Mazraoui and Zirkzee are all £110k or under. De Ligt is on £195k. Ugarte will probably be around the £200k mark.

 

Whats mental is that Yoro, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, De Ligt and Ugarte won't be on much more combined that what Varane and Martial were on.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

I said 3 out of 4 signings.   Yoro, Mazraoui and Zirkzee are all £110k or under. De Ligt is on £195k. Ugarte will probably be around the £200k mark.

 

Whats mental is that Yoro, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, De Ligt and Ugarte won't be on much more combined that what Varane and Martial were on.

 

I know I was just working through them thinking there surely isn't just 1 that's on more than him. I still refuse to believe Mazouri is on less - I'd need to see their payslips to believe it

 

Yes definitely been a shift and a clear-out for sure. Will be an interesting season for Man United.

[The Butcher]

 

[KingArthur]

27 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

There's no way we have signed Lloyd Kelly and stuck him on £150k a week, making him our second highest earner in the process. I don't care where it says that.

 

Man United have made some decent signings, though. Remains to be seen whether they adapt or if they follow the pattern of more or less every other signing they've made in the last decade. There's been a shift in the profile/age of the signings, but they also done fuck all with Martial/Pogba/Sancho who were all young. All had moments of course and probably injuries came into it too, but they're able to write them off due to the size of the club & the commercial revenue they generate from being so big.

 

I still think it will be Ten Hag's last season, if he even makes it to the end. That being said they have a remarkable trait of being able to win a game when they really need to.

This is quite surely wrong. Kelly getting triple the money than Luiz Dias and double what Botman is getting? Lol yea right. Free signing of course, but that is clearly wrong. 

 

His agent would have hundreds of new clients if that was true.

[Kimbo]

Zero chance we gave Kelly 5 years on 150k per week.

[Zero]

2 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

Zero chance we gave Kelly 5 years on 150k per week.

same as the Forrest keeper for 23.6m. Everyone say zero chance. No way Anderson just go for 10-15m.

 

And then?

[Zero]

46 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Correction. We used to spend huge amounts of wages and transfer fees. 3 of our 4 summer signings so far are on less money than Lloyd Kelly.

 

Our business this summer has been shrewd. We've raised over £100m by selling fringe players, and added some real quality to the squad.

I can’t work out how you raised 100m by selling players. Don’t tell me that’s wages inclusive

[CallumG6]

30 minutes ago, Froggy said:

The most reliable wage website

According to who?

[Kimbo]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

same as the Forrest keeper for 23.6m. Everyone say zero chance. No way Anderson just go for 10-15m.

 

And then?

I didn’t say no chance to that, it was a PSR scam so a very different situation.

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, Zero said:

I can’t work out how you raised 100m by selling players. Don’t tell me that’s wages inclusive

 

McTominay, Greenwood, Pellistri, Fernandez, Kambwala, Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Pellistri, Fish, Mejbri.

 

It's a lot more than £100m, I was just being conservative so I don't get accused of making up figures.

[Kimbo]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

McTominay, Greenwood, Pellistri, Fernandez, Kambwala, Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Pellistri, Fish, Mejbri.

 

It's a lot more than £100m, I was just being conservative so I don't get accused of making up figures.

Fish? You’re making some of those up.

[Froggy]

12 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

According to who?

 

According to me. It's certainly more reliable than a few guys on an internet forum saying "no there's definitely no way that's right."

[Froggy]

Just now, Kimbo said:

Fish? You’re making some of those up.

 

He was a promising young centre back. Was one of the best in the academy along side Chips and Mushy Peas.

[Zero]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

McTominay, Greenwood, Pellistri, Fernandez, Kambwala, Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Pellistri, Fish, Mejbri.

 

It's a lot more than £100m, I was just being conservative so I don't get accused of making up figures.

WTF, Mctominey is still here!

 

 

 

[CallumG6]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

According to me. It's certainly more reliable than a few guys on an internet forum saying "no there's definitely no way that's right."

I'd say they're both as reliable as each other.

Literally says above the players wages "All salary figures are estimates and do not represent official figures."

[Ronson333]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

McTominay, Greenwood, Pellistri, Fernandez, Kambwala, Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Pellistri, Fish, Mejbri.

 

It's a lot more than £100m, I was just being conservative so I don't get accused of making up figures.

Pellistri Twice 😀

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Ronson333 said:

Pellistri Twice 😀

 

Wasn't counted twice.