geordiedean Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Didn't know whether to post this in here or SNWOAT, but this video was uploaded in February 2015, in Rafa's last season at Napoli. Looking at the clubs he's managed, Real Madrid aside, they're all working class cities that live and breathe football; 2 of them one club cities, Napoli and Newcastle. He must love the passion and infatuation the people of the cities have for football, it's all they have. Everything around the cities is built on football. Love the fact he likes that. I bloody well hope he's here for years and that he sees out Ashley. Should that happen he's going to go down as our greatest manager of all time, I'm sure. I f***ing love the man. Streets behind Robson,Keegan and Joe Harvey on that scale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Didn't know whether to post this in here or SNWOAT, but this video was uploaded in February 2015, in Rafa's last season at Napoli. Looking at the clubs he's managed, Real Madrid aside, they're all working class cities that live and breathe football; 2 of them one club cities, Napoli and Newcastle. He must love the passion and infatuation the people of the cities have for football, it's all they have. Everything around the cities is built on football. Love the fact he likes that. I bloody well hope he's here for years and that he sees out Ashley. Should that happen he's going to go down as our greatest manager of all time, I'm sure. I f***ing love the man. Streets behind Robson,Keegan and Joe Harvey on that scale He's suggesting that he would win a trophy, which would automatically make him better than Keegan and Robson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Not just trophies; what he's already done for the club. Staying on in the Championship to bring us back up when he didn't have to. Bringing fans back from apathy to caring about the club again. Potentially being the centrepiece of a takeover, and seeing out the cancer on this football club that is Mike Ashley. Seeing the potential of this football club and wanting to realise it as a project, even under Ashley. I doubt someone who called him the "Spanish Tony Pulis" earlier this season would see it in that way though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Didn't know whether to post this in here or SNWOAT, but this video was uploaded in February 2015, in Rafa's last season at Napoli. Looking at the clubs he's managed, Real Madrid aside, they're all working class cities that live and breathe football; 2 of them one club cities, Napoli and Newcastle. He must love the passion and infatuation the people of the cities have for football, it's all they have. Everything around the cities is built on football. Love the fact he likes that. I bloody well hope he's here for years and that he sees out Ashley. Should that happen he's going to go down as our greatest manager of all time, I'm sure. I f***ing love the man. Streets behind Robson,Keegan and Joe Harvey on that scale He's suggesting that he would win a trophy, which would automatically make him better than Keegan and Robson. Not KK. He took over a 3rd division club really and turned it into a title challenger playing the best football we will ever see, revolutionising our club and changing the whole mindset of a dumbed down, defeatist and totally exhausted fan base into believing that their club can be the best and biggest club in the world and that this should always be the aim. I sincerely doubt anyone will be as good for us as KK was even if they won the league, certainly not as important to the club historically. I hold Rafa in the same ilk as Hughton at the moment, obviously he’s a much better manager, but he has a long long way to go to be considered up there with KK and Sir Bobby. Mind, he’s now at a club that doesn’t want to do anything but stay up where as those two managed an ambitious club that tried to and wanted to compete and we did, falling short obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He already has won a trophy. As did Keegan. Before anybody diminishes them, they both felt like winning something to me. To be honest though, having to put up with the soap opera that is NUFC, I would actually trade consistent competitive seasons in the top six for a ‘trophy’ of any kind. I want to go back to worrying about whether we’ll qualify for Europe, rather than whether we’ll be relegated. Being disappointed as we chalk up our seventh loss and miss out on a serious title challenge, again. Feel the sense of pride (disbelief) in realising that we can give anyone a game on our day. I wonder whether most boro fans would trade their league cup for something similar. It’s a stupid comparison I guess. But with Rafa we have the chance to achieve such status once again (the brief but sweet taste of it we had) and the chance to win a cup. Personally, the former seems much more important. Less intense joy but so much more of it spread out over a much longer time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Didn't know whether to post this in here or SNWOAT, but this video was uploaded in February 2015, in Rafa's last season at Napoli. Looking at the clubs he's managed, Real Madrid aside, they're all working class cities that live and breathe football; 2 of them one club cities, Napoli and Newcastle. He must love the passion and infatuation the people of the cities have for football, it's all they have. Everything around the cities is built on football. Love the fact he likes that. I bloody well hope he's here for years and that he sees out Ashley. Should that happen he's going to go down as our greatest manager of all time, I'm sure. I f***ing love the man. Streets behind Robson,Keegan and Joe Harvey on that scale He's suggesting that he would win a trophy, which would automatically make him better than Keegan and Robson. Nah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 BTW, I don't think he's a greater manager for us than Keegan and Robson. Yet. If Ashley goes, I think he's going to be in time. That is, assuming Rafa is still our manager by the time Ashley sells up/dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He already has won a trophy. As did Keegan. Before anybody diminishes them, they both felt like winning something to me. To be honest though, having to put up with the soap opera that is NUFC, I would actually trade consistent competitive seasons in the top six for a ‘trophy’ of any kind. I want to go back to worrying about whether we’ll qualify for Europe, rather than whether we’ll be relegated. Being disappointed as we chalk up our seventh loss and miss out on a serious title challenge, again. Feel the sense of pride (disbelief) in realising that we can give anyone a game on our day. I wonder whether most boro fans would trade their league cup for something similar. It’s a stupid comparison I guess. But with Rafa we have the chance to achieve such status once again (the brief but sweet taste of it we had) and the chance to win a cup. Personally, the former seems much more important. Less intense joy but so much more of it spread out over a much longer time. Rafa deserves to be put on a pedestal for firstly coming to the club and trying to keep us up and then staying and bringing us back up at the first time of asking. This was a huge thing given our owner and the last decade or so at the club. He has United a disenfranchised fan base, given fans a team to at least be proud of or a team to respect if not exactly admire ability wise and has restored belief and hope in the club among fans that had disappeared big time. He has done that not by being a great manager, but by being a great man, a humble man who works extremely hard and knows, understands and values what a football club is all about - it’s fans. He’s fucking ace in that respect and if he were to be backed in a similar way to what KK and Sir Bobby both were I’m in no doubt he will be a huge success here and would IMO deliver that elusive long awaited trophy trophy. I just feel given the context, historical aspect and the football we played and the era, KK will probably never be surpassed as a manager of our club. Someone will win us more than he did/didn’t one day, but we will never ever see a team like that or an era and that was all down to one man really, well two, SJH who gave KK such a free hand. It was mainly down to KK though. At NUFC the manager needs that free hand to run things, Rafa has that other than funding and sadly that’s why a CL winning manager who is for me one of the best in the world right now, could well see a second relegation of our club on his CV - as good as he is. We reallymissed the boat when we sacked Sir Bobby or failed to move him upstairs. Liverpool got rid of Houllier and got Rafa in and the rest is history. We got fucking Souness. I sadly think Valencia and Liverpool saw the best of Rafa and we never will. Anyway, PL era for me it’s the following: KK ——————-> SBR —————-> Rafa/Hughton I’d love nothing better than Rafa to the manager of an ambitious NUFC that wants to compete and tries because he deserves it and so do we. A match made in heaven really! That takeover has to happen though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He already has won a trophy. As did Keegan. Before anybody diminishes them, they both felt like winning something to me. To be honest though, having to put up with the soap opera that is NUFC, I would actually trade consistent competitive seasons in the top six for a ‘trophy’ of any kind. I want to go back to worrying about whether we’ll qualify for Europe, rather than whether we’ll be relegated. Being disappointed as we chalk up our seventh loss and miss out on a serious title challenge, again. Feel the sense of pride (disbelief) in realising that we can give anyone a game on our day. I wonder whether most boro fans would trade their league cup for something similar. It’s a stupid comparison I guess. But with Rafa we have the chance to achieve such status once again (the brief but sweet taste of it we had) and the chance to win a cup. Personally, the former seems much more important. Less intense joy but so much more of it spread out over a much longer time. Rafa deserves to be put on a pedestal for firstly coming to the club and trying to keep us up and then staying and bringing us back up at the first time of asking. This was a huge thing given our owner and the last decade or so at the club. He has United a disenfranchised fan base, given fans a team to at least be proud of or a team to respect if not exactly admire ability wise and has restored belief and hope in the club among fans that had disappeared big time. He has done that not by being a great manager, but by being a great man, a humble man who works extremely hard and knows, understands and values what a football club is all about - it’s fans. He’s fucking ace in that respect and if he were to be backed in a similar way to what KK and Sir Bobby both were I’m in no doubt he will be a huge success here and would IMO deliver that elusive long awaited trophy trophy. I just feel given the context, historical aspect and the football we played and the era, KK will probably never be surpassed as a manager of our club. Someone will win us more than he did/didn’t one day, but we will never ever see a team like that or an era and that was all down to one man really, well two, SJH who gave KK such a free hand. It was mainly down to KK though. At NUFC the manager needs that free hand to run things, Rafa has that other than funding and sadly that’s why a CL winning manager who is for me one of the best in the world right now, could well see a second relegation of our club on his CV - as good as he is. We reallymissed the boat when we sacked Sir Bobby or failed to move him upstairs. Liverpool got rid of Houllier and got Rafa in and the rest is history. We got fucking Souness. I sadly think Valencia and Liverpool saw the best of Rafa and we never will. Anyway, PL era for me it’s the following: KK ——————-> SBR —————-> Rafa/Hughton I’d love nothing better than Rafa to the manager of an ambitious NUFC that wants to compete and tries because he deserves it and so do we. A match made in heaven really! That takeover has to happen though... Just in time for my lunch break. Should get through this by the time I finish my frozen pasta pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Solid post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Frozen pasta? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Solid post. Like your pasta... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Haha, hey, I'm a working class drudge living in cold, wintry Greater Toronto Area, this is all I have going for me lunchwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Haha, hey, I'm a working class drudge living in cold, wintry Greater Toronto Area, this is all I have going for me lunchwise. Look at me, look at me, living in Toronto, fucking pathetic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Haha, hey, I'm a working class drudge living in cold, wintry Greater Toronto Area, this is all I have going for me lunchwise. Look at me, look at me, living in Toronto, fucking pathetic... I'd happily be somewhere warm right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Not just trophies; what he's already done for the club. Staying on in the Championship to bring us back up when he didn't have to. Bringing fans back from apathy to caring about the club again. Potentially being the centrepiece of a takeover, and seeing out the cancer on this football club that is Mike Ashley. Seeing the potential of this football club and wanting to realise it as a project, even under Ashley. I doubt someone who called him the "Spanish Tony Pulis" earlier this season would see it in that way though. Look i like Rafa but im not obsessed with this love in that some on here have for him. The fellas decisions at times are mind boggling and the football we play is absolutely turgid shit. The football on offer for us to watch now is no better than some of the shit Pardew turned out and is a million million miles away from the football we played under Bobby and Keegan Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even though i do think Rafa is a good manager i don't think he's the greatest we've ever had by a long long way. You're 16 or something so i get your praise you've been brought up on shit an no nothing else. So when someone like him comes along you get giddy, if you'd seen the football we played in the 90s and early 2000s you'd probably have pissed your pants with excitement from the way you go on here at times about Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Not just trophies; what he's already done for the club. Staying on in the Championship to bring us back up when he didn't have to. Bringing fans back from apathy to caring about the club again. Potentially being the centrepiece of a takeover, and seeing out the cancer on this football club that is Mike Ashley. Seeing the potential of this football club and wanting to realise it as a project, even under Ashley. I doubt someone who called him the "Spanish Tony Pulis" earlier this season would see it in that way though. Look i like Rafa but im not obsessed with this love in that some on here have for him. The fellas decisions at times are mind boggling and the football we play is absolutely turgid shit. The football on offer for us to watch now is no better than some of the shit Pardew turned out and is a million million miles away from the football we played under Bobby and Keegan Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even though i do think Rafa is a good manager i don't think he's the greatest we've ever had by a long long way. You're 16 or something so i get your praise you've been brought up on shit an no nothing else. So when someone like him comes along you get giddy, if you'd seen the football we played in the 90s and early 2000s you'd probably have pissed your pants with excitement from the way you go on here at times about Rafa Sounds like I'm of a similar age to you, was there in the prime Keegan and Robson years, and imo Rafa is almost up there with them now given the context of his status vs. our status when he joined and the way he's galvanised the club surrounded by this Ashley austerity fog. Keegan and Robson did amazing jobs but they had boards who wanted them to succeed and actively tried to help them. Rafa is battling the opposite to this and could walk to a top job tomorrow, we all know he could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Not just trophies; what he's already done for the club. Staying on in the Championship to bring us back up when he didn't have to. Bringing fans back from apathy to caring about the club again. Potentially being the centrepiece of a takeover, and seeing out the cancer on this football club that is Mike Ashley. Seeing the potential of this football club and wanting to realise it as a project, even under Ashley. I doubt someone who called him the "Spanish Tony Pulis" earlier this season would see it in that way though. Look i like Rafa but im not obsessed with this love in that some on here have for him. The fellas decisions at times are mind boggling and the football we play is absolutely turgid shit. The football on offer for us to watch now is no better than some of the shit Pardew turned out and is a million million miles away from the football we played under Bobby and Keegan Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even though i do think Rafa is a good manager i don't think he's the greatest we've ever had by a long long way. You're 16 or something so i get your praise you've been brought up on shit an no nothing else. So when someone like him comes along you get giddy, if you'd seen the football we played in the 90s and early 2000s you'd probably have pissed your pants with excitement from the way you go on here at times about Rafa Sounds like I'm of a similar age to you, was there in the prime Keegan and Robson years, and imo Rafa is almost up there with them now given the context of his status vs. our status when he joined and the way he's galvanised the club surrounded by this Ashley austerity fog. Keegan and Robson did amazing jobs but they had boards who wanted them to succeed and actively tried to help them. Rafa is battling the opposite to this and could walk to a top job tomorrow, we all know he could. I was 18 when Keegan came in to save us from Division 3 and the next 4 to 5 years was the best I've ever had as a fan of Newcastle we really were imo the best team in the land. We may not have won anything but we played better football than Man United did. Robson years were a rebirth and a bit of hope after Dalglish and Gullit ripped up KKs team. I do think Robson was the better manager though as he turned average players into a damn good team we played champions league football with O Brien,Bramble,Hughes and Andy Griffin for christ sake. I genuinely believe that if Bobby had Keegans team we would have pissed that division by a record margin as good as KK was he was not in the same league tactically as Robson was As for Rafa walking to a top club tomorrow im curious as to which top club you think this would be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Not just trophies; what he's already done for the club. Staying on in the Championship to bring us back up when he didn't have to. Bringing fans back from apathy to caring about the club again. Potentially being the centrepiece of a takeover, and seeing out the cancer on this football club that is Mike Ashley. Seeing the potential of this football club and wanting to realise it as a project, even under Ashley. I doubt someone who called him the "Spanish Tony Pulis" earlier this season would see it in that way though. Look i like Rafa but im not obsessed with this love in that some on here have for him. The fellas decisions at times are mind boggling and the football we play is absolutely turgid shit. The football on offer for us to watch now is no better than some of the shit Pardew turned out and is a million million miles away from the football we played under Bobby and Keegan Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even though i do think Rafa is a good manager i don't think he's the greatest we've ever had by a long long way. You're 16 or something so i get your praise you've been brought up on shit an no nothing else. So when someone like him comes along you get giddy, if you'd seen the football we played in the 90s and early 2000s you'd probably have pissed your pants with excitement from the way you go on here at times about Rafa Sounds like I'm of a similar age to you, was there in the prime Keegan and Robson years, and imo Rafa is almost up there with them now given the context of his status vs. our status when he joined and the way he's galvanised the club surrounded by this Ashley austerity fog. Keegan and Robson did amazing jobs but they had boards who wanted them to succeed and actively tried to help them. Rafa is battling the opposite to this and could walk to a top job tomorrow, we all know he could. I was 18 when Keegan came in to save us from Division 3 and the next 4 to 5 years was the best I've ever had as a fan of Newcastle we really were imo the best team in the land. We may not have won anything but we played better football than Man United did. Robson years were a rebirth and a bit of hope after Dalglish and Gullit ripped up KKs team. I do think Robson was the better manager though as he turned average players into a damn good team we played champions league football with O Brien,Bramble,Hughes and Andy Griffin for christ sake. I genuinely believe that if Bobby had Keegans team we would have pissed that division by a record margin as good as KK was he was not in the same league tactically as Robson was As for Rafa walking to a top club tomorrow im curious as to which top club you think this would be I was 15 when Keegan took over. As for the Rafa job question he was fucking Real Madrid manager before us, Napoli before that and Inter before that. FFS It's very common knowledge he's knocked back loads of offers to stay in England with his family for a long term project. Honestly that question has made me borderline angry, like we've just picked up fucking Pardew or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Don't think Rafa will be getting a top job if we get relegated mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Don't think Rafa will be getting a top job if we get relegated mind Depends what your class as a top job. Even if he kept us up, he's not gonna walk into BvB, Barca or Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Honestly man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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triggs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Honestly man. You can keep saying stuff like this but what top club is going to hire him? You mention his last three jobs being big clubs but he failed miserably at two of those clubs (didn't get a chance to put his stamp on the team at either) and another relegation or even a bottom half finish isn't going to get him a top job. Although, it depends what you mean by a "top club" as was previously said. Liverpool is the only one I could see, if Klopp left for some reason but that isn't happening either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Honestly man. You can keep saying stuff like this but what top club is going to hire him? You mention his last three jobs being big clubs but he failed miserably at two of those clubs (didn't get a chance to put his stamp on the team at either) and another relegation or even a bottom half finish isn't going to get him a top job. Although, it depends what you mean by a "top club" as was previously said. Liverpool is the only one I could see, if Klopp left for some reason but that isn't happening either. Could see him getting a job a team like BvB, Atletico, Milan, that sort of level of "top team". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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