Greg Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Yes, but as bad as some of the hammerings Pardew served up. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It was bad like. I can barely remember us stringing more than 2- 3 passes together at a time. Gayle and Perez are just not Premier League quality. I'd rather see Murphy given a shot up top if we are playing Ritchie on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I'd say that 2nd half was as bad as anything Pardew served up, the one thing forgotten about that though, would be Pardew had a far superior team and had no need to play such s**** football, as he could have had a out ball, something we need badly now. Today it was clear we lacked a player to hold the ball up/turn the oppo round. Hopefully Slimani can be that player, he can run in behind as well as hold it which is perfect for Rafa's one up. Perez and Gayle were so weak the ball just came back over and over. Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's f*** all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog Kenedy despite him being on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I'm fucking sick of reading that stupid comparison like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I'd say that 2nd half was as bad as anything Pardew served up, the one thing forgotten about that though, would be Pardew had a far superior team and had no need to play such s**** football, as he could have had a out ball, something we need badly now. Today it was clear we lacked a player to hold the ball up/turn the oppo round. Hopefully Slimani can be that player, he can run in behind as well as hold it which is perfect for Rafa's one up. Perez and Gayle were so weak the ball just came back over and over. Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's fuck all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog kenedy despite him being on loan. Erm no, one explains why Rafa's team ends up hoofing when under pressure. Unlike Pardew who hoofed it by design. And the rest of your posts reads as if i'm sticking up for Pardew, which i'm not. In fact i'm one of the first of us to hate his guts, and saw through him a bit before most. While i do describe Rafa's football as a bit boring, you give him a proper forward, a proper 10 and better overlapping full backs and that'll change. He's done brilliantly to have us out of the bottom three as it is, give him better players and everything changes, style, thinking, the football itself becomes altogether different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I'd say that 2nd half was as bad as anything Pardew served up, the one thing forgotten about that though, would be Pardew had a far superior team and had no need to play such s**** football, as he could have had a out ball, something we need badly now. Today it was clear we lacked a player to hold the ball up/turn the oppo round. Hopefully Slimani can be that player, he can run in behind as well as hold it which is perfect for Rafa's one up. Perez and Gayle were so weak the ball just came back over and over. Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's f*** all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog kenedy despite him being on loan. Erm no, one explains why Rafa's team ends up hoofing when under pressure. Unlike Pardew who hoofed it by design. And the rest of your posts reads as if i'm sticking up for Pardew, which i'm not. In fact i'm one of the first of us to hate his guts, and saw through him a bit before most. While i do describe Rafa's football as a bit boring, you give him a proper forward, a proper 10 and better overlapping full backs and that'll change. He's done brilliantly to have us out of the bottom three as it is, give him better players and everything changes, style, thinking, the football itself becomes altogether different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I'd say that 2nd half was as bad as anything Pardew served up, the one thing forgotten about that though, would be Pardew had a far superior team and had no need to play such s**** football, as he could have had a out ball, something we need badly now. Today it was clear we lacked a player to hold the ball up/turn the oppo round. Hopefully Slimani can be that player, he can run in behind as well as hold it which is perfect for Rafa's one up. Perez and Gayle were so weak the ball just came back over and over. Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's f*** all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog kenedy despite him being on loan. Erm no, one explains why Rafa's team ends up hoofing when under pressure. Unlike Pardew who hoofed it by design. And the rest of your posts reads as if i'm sticking up for Pardew, which i'm not. In fact i'm one of the first of us to hate his guts, and saw through him a bit before most. While i do describe Rafa's football as a bit boring, you give him a proper forward, a proper 10 and better overlapping full backs and that'll change. He's done brilliantly to have us out of the bottom three as it is, give him better players and everything changes, style, thinking, the football itself becomes altogether different. Probably a good idea to actually read it properly, or not as is your preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I stopped reading after your accurate comparison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I stopped reading after your accurate comparison Good for you, i like a decisive man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It was bad like. I can barely remember us stringing more than 2- 3 passes together at a time. Gayle and Perez are just not Premier League quality. I'd rather see Murphy given a shot up top if we are playing Ritchie on the right. Barely anyone in our team is Premier league quality. It would probably go a long way to explaining why we can't string two passes together if you look at it objectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Surprised not to see Murphy play today. Merino offered fuck all. Merino was brought on for his height. Before he came on we'd barely won a ball in the air. His introduction reduced the waves of pressure as we finally had someone competing in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I hated every sub he made today. I realize I know nothing but just needed to say it. They couldn't have been that bad since the flow of the game changed entirely afterwards (for the better for us). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It was bad like. I can barely remember us stringing more than 2- 3 passes together at a time. Gayle and Perez are just not Premier League quality. I'd rather see Murphy given a shot up top if we are playing Ritchie on the right. Barely anyone in our team is Premier league quality. It would probably go a long way to explaining why we can't string two passes together if you look at it objectively. Don’t buy this and frankly sick of hearing people trot out their trite, half thought through, assertions. Make a f***ing list of the first team players who ‘graced’ the PL this weekend. Is our squad really qualitatively different? Fundamentally less than? Cast your mind back to Wednesday, to Swansea, to Stoke. To the eight games we have lost by a single goal. To the seven we’ve drawn and had chances to win. It is f***ing tough to take like, but newsflash, you’re deluded if you think any positive is Rafa’s genius and any negative is down to our players. They did a f***ing sterling job today. If you stick all the time you rarely win the low probability games. If you twist too much you lose more than you should., but win some you shouldn’t. We’ve got three points from half a dozen winnable home games. If I was the manager, I’d be looking in the mirror, not belittling the players. Rafa will be doing similar. Hope it doesn’t matter come season end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Didn't remind me much of a Pardew performance based on the fact I wasn't gagging for us to lose and Googling self-enucleation techniques. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 As bad as getting dicked 0-6 at home to Liverpool, or 0-3 at home to a Di Canio Sunderland though apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Kenedy scores that great chance to make it 2-0 and all of a sudden it's 'whey, Rafa can set a team up away from home like...wor away forms keeping us up here man!'. Both our goals vs Burnley/Palace have come from set pieces, whilst both conceded have been from set pieces. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of player and the quality of the manager. The four points dropped in the last two matches could well end up costing us survival, but they will not be the fault of Rafa. We tried to dominate the ball early on and push our Full Backs high and we could have conceded two or three goals in that time- if we open up and try to play we will get murdered. Anyone expecting anything other than absolute pragmatism is either clueless or completely unrealistic/both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 As bad as getting dicked 0-6 at home to Liverpool, or 0-3 at home to a Di Canio Sunderland though apparently. That's not how it was meant as you well know young man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It was bad like. I can barely remember us stringing more than 2- 3 passes together at a time. Gayle and Perez are just not Premier League quality. I'd rather see Murphy given a shot up top if we are playing Ritchie on the right. Barely anyone in our team is Premier league quality. It would probably go a long way to explaining why we can't string two passes together if you look at it objectively. Don’t buy this and frankly sick of hearing people trot out their trite, half thought through, assertions. Make a f***ing list of the first team players who ‘graced’ the PL this weekend. Is our squad really qualitatively different? Fundamentally less than? Cast your mind back to Wednesday, to Swansea, to Stoke. To the eight games we have lost by a single goal. To the seven we’ve drawn and had chances to win. It is f***ing tough to take like, but newsflash, you’re deluded if you think any positive is Rafa’s genius and any negative is down to our players. They did a f***ing sterling job today. If you stick all the time you rarely win the low probability games. If you twist too much you lose more than you should., but win some you shouldn’t. We’ve got three points from half a dozen winnable home games. If I was the manager, I’d be looking in the mirror, not belittling the players. Rafa will be doing similar. Hope it doesn’t matter come season end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Don't we have significantly more Premiership experienced players than say Brighton and Huddersfield. Most of our team have played in the Premiership a fair amount, Shelvey, Diame, Clark, Dummett even. It's just we lack real stand out quality something Rafa was trying to address but Ashley wouldn't let him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Kenedy scores that great chance to make it 2-0 and all of a sudden it's 'whey, Rafa can set a team up away from home like...wor away forms keeping us up here man!'. Both our goals vs Burnley/Palace have come from set pieces, whilst both conceded have been from set pieces. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of player and the quality of the manager. The four points dropped in the last two matches could well end up costing us survival, but they will not be the fault of Rafa. We tried to dominate the ball early on and push our Full Backs high and we could have conceded two or three goals in that time- if we open up and try to play we will get murdered. Anyone expecting anything other than absolute pragmatism is either clueless or completely unrealistic/both. This is the crux of it for me. We’re good enough to take the lead quite often but we’re not prolific enough to get the killer second at all. We’ve thrown points away hand over fist this season because we can’t get that second because the finishing is so poor and/or the mentality of the team after taking the lead is to sit back, concede time and space and we invariably end up conceding. Getting Slimani in was huge. Don’t think it’s too much to say that the club’s survival this season rests on his shoulders. Can’t see anyone else in this squad capable of tucking away enough chances to turn all of these draws into wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Think we've lost the most points from a winning position of all the teams this season, not a surprise really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 How much did the Palace squad today cost compared to ours? Gayle was our biggest signing om the pitch, and he cost just over a third of Benteke. Rafa is working miracles with this squad man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 How much did the Palace squad today cost compared to ours? Gayle was our biggest signing om the pitch, and he cost just over a third of Benteke. Rafa is working miracles with this squad man. He is, and something the pundits seem to be completely overlooking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 How much did the Palace squad today cost compared to ours? Gayle was our biggest signing om the pitch, and he cost just over a third of Benteke. Rafa is working miracles with this squad man. This sums it up perfectly imho https://twitter.com/HanoiToon/status/960201682452848641 https://twitter.com/HanoiToon/status/960202328216252416 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 How much did the Palace squad today cost compared to ours? Gayle was our biggest signing om the pitch, and he cost just over a third of Benteke. Rafa is working miracles with this squad man. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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