Guest firetotheworks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I’ve lifted 24 signings from .com and made a judgement (relative cost and impact) as to whether they were good signings or not. I totally get that he has had to cut his cloth accordingly, but in terms of getting someone to do a job for us, it looks pretty 50-50 to me. Gayle 10m good Ritchie 12m good Gamez free poor Hayden 4m good Hanley 5.5m poor Clark 5m good Diame 5m good Yedlin 5m good D. Murphy 3m good Lazaar 3m poor Atsu 6.2m good Lejeune 8.7m good Murphy 10m+ poor Manquillo 4.5m poor Merino 6.5m good Joselu 5m poor Kenedy loan good Slimani loan poor Dubravka 4m good Ki Sungyeung free ? Schar 3m ? Muto 9.5m ? Rondon loan ? Fernandez 6m good I don't think there was anything wrong with Hanley, but that aside probably fairly accurate, although I'd say Joselu's performed like a £5m striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Aye no issue with Hanley. Was just unlucky Clark was brilliant from the beginning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Fair points re percentage ‘success’ and Hanley. Although some were no doubt bought as back-up, of the 24 only 7 would be regular starters, including Joselu in this. Of the most expensive 8 (a pitiful 5.5-£12m on the published figures) probably only Lejeune and Ritchie would be considered first choice for their positions. Perhaps this is just another way of saying that for the last couple of years we’ve been unable to successfully strengthen the first 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Watching Everton v Palace yesterday, it’s scary. Even the players who flattered to deceive and were basically crap are probably worth £20-40m. To even be expected to compete in this league you need multiple £20m players in your team and ideally 1 or 2 worth £50m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I’ve lifted 24 signings from .com and made a judgement (relative cost and impact) as to whether they were good signings or not. I totally get that he has had to cut his cloth accordingly, but in terms of getting someone to do a job for us, it looks pretty 50-50 to me. Gayle 10m good Ritchie 12m good Gamez free poor MATT SELS 5.5m Gash Hayden 4m poor (when is last time this cunt played?) Hanley 5.5m poor Clark 5m good??? He’s fucking gash man Diame 5m good Yedlin 5m good D. Murphy 3m good Lazaar 3m poor Atsu 6.2m good??? No, he’s not really is he. Lejeune 8.7m good Murphy 10m+ poor?? 10m+? It was fucking 12 million. Gash. Manquillo 4.5m poor Merino 6.5m good Joselu 5m poor Kenedy loan good Slimani loan poor Dubravka 4m good Ki Sungyeung free ? Schar 3m ? Can’t get a game Muto 9.5m ? Not looking like money well spent is it Rondon loan ? Fernandez 6m good I count 63.3m on total cack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Watching Everton v Palace yesterday, it’s scary. Even the players who flattered to deceive and were basically crap are probably worth £20-40m. To even be expected to compete in this league you need multiple £20m players in your team and ideally 1 or 2 worth £50m. It's also how you end up in a position where £10m is spent on someone like Murphy and rather than it being viewed as a pittance for a young, British player, it's viewed as a waste of a lot of money and we're in a position where some of our fans are thinking like Ashley, completely divorced from the reality of modern day football spending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 And of those 25 players listed, only 10 of them have been decent. That’s a 40% success rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I’ve lifted 24 signings from .com and made a judgement (relative cost and impact) as to whether they were good signings or not. I totally get that he has had to cut his cloth accordingly, but in terms of getting someone to do a job for us, it looks pretty 50-50 to me. Gayle 10m good Ritchie 12m good Gamez free poor Hayden 4m good Hanley 5.5m poor Clark 5m good Diame 5m good Yedlin 5m good D. Murphy 3m good Lazaar 3m poor Atsu 6.2m good Lejeune 8.7m good Murphy 10m+ poor Manquillo 4.5m poor Merino 6.5m good Joselu 5m poor Kenedy loan good Slimani loan poor Dubravka 4m good Ki Sungyeung free ? Schar 3m ? Muto 9.5m ? Rondon loan ? Fernandez 6m good I’ve lifted 24 signings from .com and made a judgement (relative cost and impact) as to whether they were good signings or not. I totally get that he has had to cut his cloth accordingly, but in terms of getting someone to do a job for us, it looks pretty 50-50 to me. Gayle 10m good Ritchie 12m good Gamez free poor MATT SELS 5.5m Gash Hayden 4m poor (when is last time this cunt played?) Hanley 5.5m poor Clark 5m good??? He’s fucking gash man Diame 5m good Yedlin 5m good D. Murphy 3m good Lazaar 3m poor Atsu 6.2m good??? No, he’s not really is he. Lejeune 8.7m good Murphy 10m+ poor?? 10m+? It was fucking 12 million. Gash. Manquillo 4.5m poor Merino 6.5m good Joselu 5m poor Kenedy loan good Slimani loan poor Dubravka 4m good Ki Sungyeung free ? Schar 3m ? Can’t get a game Muto 9.5m ? Not looking like money well spent is it Rondon loan ? Fernandez 6m good I count 63.3m on total cack. Which buys you 2/3 competent PL players these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 And of those 25 players listed, only 10 of them have been decent. That’s a 40% success rate. But surely you have to take into account the amounts he has been allowed to spend on players and the fact that often they have been 2nd or 3rd choices, based on not being able to compete to get his actual targets? If I keep buying 2nd hand cars from 'Dodgy Daves dealership' then chances are I am going to get a fair % of duds that cost me money and are unreliable shite. If I can go to the Jaguar or Aston Martin showrooms nearly every time, and buy quality, then my % success rate would go up wouldn't it? Have to remember the context of what he is being allowed to buy. Some of the shite was almost certain to be shite: it was bought at Poundland mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I hate our fans at times like. Unforgivably ignorant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Watching Everton v Palace yesterday, it’s scary. Even the players who flattered to deceive and were basically crap are probably worth £20-40m. To even be expected to compete in this league you need multiple £20m players in your team and ideally 1 or 2 worth £50m. It's also how you end up in a position where £10m is spent on someone like Murphy and rather than it being viewed as a pittance for a young, British player, it's viewed as a waste of a lot of money and we're in a position where some of our fans are thinking like Ashley, completely divorced from the reality of modern day football spending. If he ever played Murphy I would feel differently. This was someone he wanted. Who was our most expensive signing that summer. This isn’t about agreeing with Mike Ashley. Don’t be so fucking stupid. This is about taking the rose tinted glasses off for a moment and actually seeing that Rafa has done a decent job but not amazing, certainly not in the transfer market with what he’s had to spend. The state of the team this year is on him. The same bunch played far better last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Watching Everton v Palace yesterday, it’s scary. Even the players who flattered to deceive and were basically crap are probably worth £20-40m. To even be expected to compete in this league you need multiple £20m players in your team and ideally 1 or 2 worth £50m. It's also how you end up in a position where £10m is spent on someone like Murphy and rather than it being viewed as a pittance for a young, British player, it's viewed as a waste of a lot of money and we're in a position where some of our fans are thinking like Ashley, completely divorced from the reality of modern day football spending. If he ever played Murphy I would feel differently. This was someone he wanted. Who was our most expensive signing that summer. This isn’t about agreeing with Mike Ashley. Don’t be so fucking stupid. This is about taking the rose tinted glasses off for a moment and actually seeing that Rafa has done a decent job but not amazing, certainly not in the transfer market with what he’s had to spend. The state of the team this year is on him. The same bunch played far better last year. This beggars belief Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Watching Everton v Palace yesterday, it’s scary. Even the players who flattered to deceive and were basically crap are probably worth £20-40m. To even be expected to compete in this league you need multiple £20m players in your team and ideally 1 or 2 worth £50m. It's also how you end up in a position where £10m is spent on someone like Murphy and rather than it being viewed as a pittance for a young, British player, it's viewed as a waste of a lot of money and we're in a position where some of our fans are thinking like Ashley, completely divorced from the reality of modern day football spending. If he ever played Murphy I would feel differently. This was someone he wanted. Who was our most expensive signing that summer. This isn’t about agreeing with Mike Ashley. Don’t be so f***ing stupid. This is about taking the rose tinted glasses off for a moment and actually seeing that Rafa has done a decent job but not amazing, certainly not in the transfer market with what he’s had to spend. The state of the team this year is on him. The same bunch played far better last year. I didn't say agreeing, I said thinking like, which you are. And your last two sentences are a joke. Absolutely embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Regarding Murphy, he really should had been sent out on loan if he's not going to be starting games. Him joining us has been to his detriment so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I’ve lifted 24 signings from .com and made a judgement (relative cost and impact) as to whether they were good signings or not. I totally get that he has had to cut his cloth accordingly, but in terms of getting someone to do a job for us, it looks pretty 50-50 to me. Gayle 10m good Ritchie 12m good Gamez free poor MATT SELS 5.5m Gash Hayden 4m poor (when is last time this cunt played?) Hanley 5.5m poor Clark 5m good??? He’s fucking gash man Diame 5m good Yedlin 5m good D. Murphy 3m good Lazaar 3m poor Atsu 6.2m good??? No, he’s not really is he. Lejeune 8.7m good Murphy 10m+ poor?? 10m+? It was fucking 12 million. Gash. Manquillo 4.5m poor Merino 6.5m good Joselu 5m poor Kenedy loan good Slimani loan poor Dubravka 4m good Ki Sungyeung free ? Schar 3m ? Can’t get a game Muto 9.5m ? Not looking like money well spent is it Rondon loan ? Fernandez 6m good I count 63.3m on total cack. Which are the players on 63.3m of total cack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I hate our fans at times like. Unforgivably ignorant. First time in this thread for a while. Don't think I'll be back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 We can't send Murphy on loan as we don't have the depth to loan our such players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Some people are unrealistically expecting us to spend 5, 6m on players that should perform like 20m players on adequate squad depth and a perfect transfer record. No manager can do that, let alone without a proper transfer budget, a budget he knows nothing of and cannot plan around with, and a non-football man able to veto his targets based purely on financial grounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Rafa makes mistakes - like every other manager. But the talk about firing him is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Some people are unrealistically expecting us to spend 5, 6m on players that should perform like 20m players on adequate squad depth and a perfect transfer record. No manager can do that, let alone without a proper transfer budget, a budget he knows nothing of and cannot plan around with, and a non-football man able to veto his targets based purely on financial grounds. Nope, what he's actually saying is Rafa should be winning games playing 7 players (all worth £20m each) rather than having a squad full of cheap players. You know, why actually have 20+ players on the books when they're not good enough? In fact, sell them all and just sign Aguero, let him play on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Regarding Murphy, he really should had been sent out on loan if he's not going to be starting games. Him joining us has been to his detriment so far. I mean, ideally, but how small can our squad be allowed to get? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Some people are unrealistically expecting us to spend 5, 6m on players that should perform like 20m players on adequate squad depth and a perfect transfer record. No manager can do that, let alone without a proper transfer budget, a budget he knows nothing of and cannot plan around with, and a non-football man able to veto his targets based purely on financial grounds. Nope, what he's actually saying is Rafa should be winning games playing 7 players (all worth £20m each) rather than having a squad full of cheap players. You know, why actually have 20+ players on the books when they're not good enough? In fact, sell them all and just sign Aguero, let him play on his own. Wasn't talking about Odin but your point is right. Still waiting for him to name the 63.3m cack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Regarding Murphy, he really should had been sent out on loan if he's not going to be starting games. Him joining us has been to his detriment so far. I mean, ideally, but how small can our squad be allowed to get? Which is exactly the point certain people are missing. If you need 10 players and you have £30m to spend, you don't go and buy 1 player for £29m and then moan that the others are shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I don't blame Rafa for settling for 4th 5th or 6th choices but I genuinely didnt feel that Rafa really has a plan to play or incorporate that player into our team. His handling of Murphy and in a way Muto are highly questionable imo. The likes of Gamez Ki who cost nothing okay fine I could accept them being number fillers. But Murphy and Muto who costs us 10m should at least be a player that should bring changes to our team right? No, Ritchie is still the automatic starter despite not up to EPL standard and Joselu is 5m striker is still his preferred choice. Perez is still the only no.10 since Rafa has no plan to play Muto there. Atsu who costs us 10m total is basically non-existent. Manquillo is still the only backup for both side backs. We do have lots of choices at centre back but then why do we need to bring in Fernandez when Clark is still there? First choice Lascelles Lejuene with Schar Clark as backup is more than enough. Of coz Fernandez looks a great signing which Rafa deserves credit but wait a minute is that means Clark or Schar is going to get close to zero minutes this coming season? Is this Rafa's plan? Never mind the strange Merino deal and all the issues regarding the sale of Mitrovic. I genuinely don't agree with a lot of his decisions regarding transfer. Rafa has done an excellent job in making wonders out of a bunch of shits and no way he should be sacked or responsible for the whole disaster created by the fat cunt. But I am really not a fan of Rafa when it comes to transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Oh come on. If anyone genuinely thinks the squad we have now is anywhere near to what Rafa wants then they want their head examining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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