Gallowgate End Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 should have used a quote but was really replying to the daft twat saying that joelinton would be a test of rafa’s wisdom ! It might prove that his wisdom was right. In fact going off Joelinton's stats you would probably bet that way tbh. His potential is far better than his stats suggest though. Scary talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 should have used a quote but was really replying to the daft t*** saying that joelinton would be a test of rafa’s wisdom ! It might prove that his wisdom was right. In fact going off Joelinton's stats you would probably bet that way tbh. His potential is far better than his stats suggest though. Scary talent. You an expert scout? He is only 83 potential on fifa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 should have used a quote but was really replying to the daft t*** saying that joelinton would be a test of rafa’s wisdom ! It might prove that his wisdom was right. In fact going off Joelinton's stats you would probably bet that way tbh. His potential is far better than his stats suggest though. Scary talent. You an expert scout? He is only 83 potential on fifa I just bet on a lot of European matches so I’ve watched a few of his. He’s far more talented than his stats suggest. Yet to find his defining role though I’ll be surprised if he hits the ground running ala Papiss Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yerdas El Savon Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Reckon Rondon would’ve cost way more than the reported 16.5m in the end with an added sign on fer and massive wages. Even if he is a cracking player there is a reason no other PL club signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poor Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Reckon Rondon would’ve cost way more than the reported 16.5m in the end with an added sign on fer and massive wages. Even if he is a cracking player there is a reason no other PL club signed him. eee do clubs have to pay players sign on fees and wages ? well i never ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yerdas El Savon Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Reckon Rondon would’ve cost way more than the reported 16.5m in the end with an added sign on fer and massive wages. Even if he is a cracking player there is a reason no other PL club signed him. eee do clubs have to pay players sign on fees and wages ? well i never ! That’s poor eee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poor Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 just such a nothing post man. of course he would have cost more than the transfer fee. the same as joelinton will have done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Why would Rondon have commanded massive wages? Was he on that at West Brom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yerdas El Savon Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 He had a great season at NUFC and he is turning 30. Of course he’d want one last payday and in the end he got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gonzo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Pure nonsense to suggest Rafa didn’t want Joelinton. He’s an upgrade on either Perez or Rondon and fits the profile of a pressing forward who does all the donkey work. As if he’d turn that down. The reality is that he got an offer he couldn’t turn down financially and was always going to leave. Plus I’m beginning to suspect that the players didn’t particularly like playing for him. Respected him yes, but too many instructions for their poor brains. Ignoring the interview quotes from the likes of Lascelles, Ritchie, Shelvey, Dummett etc, the fact Hayden has done a complete U-Turn is telling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest chopey Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Pure nonsense to suggest Rafa didn’t want Joelinton. He’s an upgrade on either Perez or Rondon and fits the profile of a pressing forward who does all the donkey work. As if he’d turn that down. The reality is that he got an offer he couldn’t turn down financially and was always going to leave. Plus I’m beginning to suspect that the players didn’t particularly like playing for him. Respected him yes, but too many instructions for their poor brains. Ignoring the interview quotes from the likes of Lascelles, Ritchie, Shelvey, Dummett etc, the fact Hayden has done a complete U-Turn is telling. That you Edwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gonzo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Ha! No. I don’t share those views on Rafa, I think he’s the best manager we’ve had apart from KK & SBR. But it’s very possible the players don’t feel quite the same way as the supporters do.. A good example would be a bunch of much more talented players actively trying to undermine Sir Bobby. They’re not the most intelligent bunch, professional footballers. Situations are relevant, if they didn’t like being challenged technically by a meticulous manager like Rafa, it would be the same thing as coming into work for us and having a dickhead boss hovering over us and finding fault with everything we did. We’d soon hate coming into work. It’s not unfeasible to think a core group of players who had access to Charnley or Mike Ashley made it known that they would prefer a more easy going coach? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Pure nonsense to suggest Rafa didn’t want Joelinton. He’s an upgrade on either Perez or Rondon and fits the profile of a pressing forward who does all the donkey work. As if he’d turn that down. The reality is that he got an offer he couldn’t turn down financially and was always going to leave. Plus I’m beginning to suspect that the players didn’t particularly like playing for him. Respected him yes, but too many instructions for their poor brains. Ignoring the interview quotes from the likes of Lascelles, Ritchie, Shelvey, Dummett etc, the fact Hayden has done a complete U-Turn is telling. Maybe it was the fact that he'd only be here for a year and therefore wouldn't help him in his long term project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gonzo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Pure nonsense to suggest Rafa didn’t want Joelinton. He’s an upgrade on either Perez or Rondon and fits the profile of a pressing forward who does all the donkey work. As if he’d turn that down. The reality is that he got an offer he couldn’t turn down financially and was always going to leave. Plus I’m beginning to suspect that the players didn’t particularly like playing for him. Respected him yes, but too many instructions for their poor brains. Ignoring the interview quotes from the likes of Lascelles, Ritchie, Shelvey, Dummett etc, the fact Hayden has done a complete U-Turn is telling. Maybe it was the fact that he'd only be here for a year and therefore wouldn't help him in his long term project. China? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Ha! No. I don’t share those views on Rafa, I think he’s the best manager we’ve had apart from KK & SBR. But it’s very possible the players don’t feel quite the same way as the supporters do.. A good example would be a bunch of much more talented players actively trying to undermine Sir Bobby. They’re not the most intelligent bunch, professional footballers. Situations are relevant, if they didn’t like being challenged technically by a meticulous manager like Rafa, it would be the same thing as coming into work for us and having a dickhead boss hovering over us and finding fault with everything we did. We’d soon hate coming into work. It’s not unfeasible to think a core group of players who had access to Charnley or Mike Ashley made it known that they would prefer a more easy going coach? Garbage. Exactly what Lee and Mike want you to think/buy. Luke Edwards seems to have done a number on a few fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Ha! No. I don’t share those views on Rafa, I think he’s the best manager we’ve had apart from KK & SBR. But it’s very possible the players don’t feel quite the same way as the supporters do.. A good example would be a bunch of much more talented players actively trying to undermine Sir Bobby. They’re not the most intelligent bunch, professional footballers. Situations are relevant, if they didn’t like being challenged technically by a meticulous manager like Rafa, it would be the same thing as coming into work for us and having a dickhead boss hovering over us and finding fault with everything we did. We’d soon hate coming into work. It’s not unfeasible to think a core group of players who had access to Charnley or Mike Ashley made it known that they would prefer a more easy going coach? Garbage. Exactly what Lee and Mike want you to think/buy. Luke Edwards seems to have done a number on a few fans The last time the players formed a group and tried to make things happen, the manager was sacked for allowing it to happen and IIRC all but one of those players were gone by the following summer. Not sure how much credence MA pays to players' wants or desires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 What they going to try tell us next Rondon secretly hated playing under Rafa so didn’t want to sign for Newcastle All this garbage PR stuff to make Steve Bruce look good is revolting. The only thing that will make Steve Bruce look good is if Luke Edwards turns the table upside down at the end of the season. Which he probably will knowing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Ha! No. I don’t share those views on Rafa, I think he’s the best manager we’ve had apart from KK & SBR. But it’s very possible the players don’t feel quite the same way as the supporters do.. A good example would be a bunch of much more talented players actively trying to undermine Sir Bobby. They’re not the most intelligent bunch, professional footballers. Situations are relevant, if they didn’t like being challenged technically by a meticulous manager like Rafa, it would be the same thing as coming into work for us and having a dickhead boss hovering over us and finding fault with everything we did. We’d soon hate coming into work. It’s not unfeasible to think a core group of players who had access to Charnley or Mike Ashley made it known that they would prefer a more easy going coach? I doubt any player would have gone behind Rafa's back to Ashley. I think that's fantasy land. But there will be players who don't particularly like Rafa's analytical style. Gerrard never particularly seemed to like him, and neither did Bellamy, even though he was good for their careers. Some players need the manager to be their mate, not just the boss. So I would agree, there do seem to be a few who are quite happy to see Bruce here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Sounds to me like Benitez wanted to spend money on facilities, youth structure and spend some money on "hold the fort" type players until more youth started to be developed. MA didn't want any of that, so Benitez left. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Some players don't like tough managers who are detailed and focus on organisation. It's hardly a new thing. In general footballers couldn't care who the manager is as long as they're comfortable. That doesn't mean the performance of the team won't get significantly worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If a player say's he's not to keen on a manager because they make them work to hard or use to many tactics or don't kiss their arse's every 5 minutes then that's the manager I want at my club. Gerrard and Carragher don't have any personal stories about good times with Rafa but they both respect him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If a player say's he's not to keen on a manager because they make them work to hard or use to many tactics or don't kiss their arse's every 5 minutes then that's the manager I want at my club. Gerrard and Carragher don't have any personal stories about good times with Rafa but they both respect him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If a player say's he's not to keen on a manager because they make them work to hard or use to many tactics or don't kiss their arse's every 5 minutes then that's the manager I want at my club. Gerrard and Carragher don't have any personal stories about good times with Rafa but they both respect him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If a player say's he's not to keen on a manager because they make them work to hard or use to many tactics or don't kiss their arse's every 5 minutes then that's the manager I want at my club. Gerrard and Carragher don't have any personal stories about good times with Rafa but they both respect him. Definitely. Plus the managers who are every player's friend tend to do well for the honeymoon period, and then those same players lose respect. Glen Roeder and the current Man U boss come to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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