Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Does it matter when she opens negotiations? Do it during the season and you are always close to a transfer window, sometimes those deals take time. Do it during a transfer window and you have the problem of doing it during a transfer window. The problem was never about her having negotiations close to or during the transfer window, the problem was the owner using it as an excuse to not buy anyone or keep the club running as it should have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Part of me also wonders if he's waiting till a total s*** of a buyer comes along who will destroy us even worse just so he can sell to them at a discount price and then say in the press a year later LOOK I WASN'T SO BAD I'm sure he'd take some joy out of selling us to a shitter owner, however it's all about what he can gain from it, so best offer wins. Unfortunately there hasn't been any serious offers to consider. Or there has been serious offers BUT he isn't really interested in selling? Closest we've come is the mess Staveley made last year, but it looked like she was just a tyre kicker with no real interest apart from looking to pick us up on the cheap. Now, i know we want him out, but he's not going to accept an offer that doesn't suit him. I wouldn't accept an offer for a possession that wouldn't suit myself either. If she was serious then they would have found an agreement, found the £50m or so to make the deal happen. They didn't and it was telling for that they tried to use a dirty trick media campaign to force his hand (which failed spectacularly) rather than come back with a better offer, something we'd expect from the current owner. IMO it would have been out of the pan and in to the fire, only with less potential financial backing. Mind, Staveley may have been hung out to dry by potential backers. Maybe at first she had a few that were worth a fortune and they liked the idea, but for whatever reason they pulled out so she tried to do it on her own. This would be why she couldn't make a second reasonable offer, if so then see the original point; not real offer was made. Staveley met Ashley’s price for the club, Ashley then went and put the price up as soon as we did, and we arn’t talking about £50m here, we are talking another £100m, another third of the price. Staveley has the money to pay that, assuming Ashley wouldn’t put the price up again. However she has plans for the club which includes about £150m of immediate investment. Around half of that would have been for players. Another half would have been for the training facilities/academy, and stadium improvements. From what I understand it wouldn’t just be training and acedemy upgrades, but a whole new training ground and academy complex in a new location. The sort of campus that Premier League clubs are building, and something that would be for every age group could use. It would also have meant that we would be able to invest a lot more into the woman’s team and included a female acedemy. All of this is what Rafa has said is essential to the club long term, and as I have said it’s what the bigger clubs in the league are doing. Staveley was nowhere near a tyre kicker, she even went out of her way to being in the Rueben brothers who own land in Newcastle that is to be developed in order to not only kick start the development of the club, but the city as a whole. Give over. This is basically what George Caulkin said, and he's seen evidence of the bids made. Ashley doesn't want to sell unless at a ridiculous price - hence he put the price up to £400m. Exactly this. The lad I know in the Middle East spoke to Staveley, knew the people involved and that they'd verbally agreed to the deal. Ashley changed his mind out of the blue after a boozy lunch meeting, and released the 'time waster' stuff through Bishop/The Sun. Anybody who believes the Ashley side of this story, is quite frankly, a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I honestly think the whole 'he doesn'y give a shit' thing is massively getting in our way, like. Obviously not just you GA because loads of other fans feel that way and it's understandable, but if you look at the evidence I'd argue that he definitely gives a shit* (even if it's just the perception of him, his public image and share prices that he gives a shit about), it's just about getting him to the point where he gives enough of a shit about the hassle, pressure from shareholders, the bad press, and subsequently, hopefully, the lack or reduction of outside investment in his brands as a result, that he decides it's not worth it, genuinely tries to sell the club and not just at a deliberately high price to ward off potential buyers and get the fans off his back so he can carry on doing the same old shit he's been doing for 11 years. We're not there, but imo that has to be the aim. * Keegan protest - Club for sale SackPardew protest - Hires PR Firm and has Jonas' cancer announced before Hull game Level 7 sing songs about him - disbands singing section Spurs protest - £80m transfer budget AshleyOut - Sky interview Panorama documentary - Club statement about link between NUFC and SD I take the point that the club being for sale thing isn't for real, but he's done that to be able to say the club's for sale to get people off his back. Even if it's just at that level, he gives a shit, so we need to never not be on his back. It's more he gives a shit about himself and SD, but doesn't really give a shit about us, as long as we don't impact on him financially. Absolutely must keep the pressure on him. Season hasn't even started and groups are going at it with outstanding results. Can't wait till it picks up during the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Part of me also wonders if he's waiting till a total s*** of a buyer comes along who will destroy us even worse just so he can sell to them at a discount price and then say in the press a year later LOOK I WASN'T SO BAD I'm sure he'd take some joy out of selling us to a shitter owner, however it's all about what he can gain from it, so best offer wins. Unfortunately there hasn't been any serious offers to consider. Or there has been serious offers BUT he isn't really interested in selling? Closest we've come is the mess Staveley made last year, but it looked like she was just a tyre kicker with no real interest apart from looking to pick us up on the cheap. Now, i know we want him out, but he's not going to accept an offer that doesn't suit him. I wouldn't accept an offer for a possession that wouldn't suit myself either. If she was serious then they would have found an agreement, found the £50m or so to make the deal happen. They didn't and it was telling for that they tried to use a dirty trick media campaign to force his hand (which failed spectacularly) rather than come back with a better offer, something we'd expect from the current owner. IMO it would have been out of the pan and in to the fire, only with less potential financial backing. Mind, Staveley may have been hung out to dry by potential backers. Maybe at first she had a few that were worth a fortune and they liked the idea, but for whatever reason they pulled out so she tried to do it on her own. This would be why she couldn't make a second reasonable offer, if so then see the original point; not real offer was made. Staveley met Ashley’s price for the club, Ashley then went and put the price up as soon as we did, and we arn’t talking about £50m here, we are talking another £100m, another third of the price. Staveley has the money to pay that, assuming Ashley wouldn’t put the price up again. However she has plans for the club which includes about £150m of immediate investment. Around half of that would have been for players. Another half would have been for the training facilities/academy, and stadium improvements. From what I understand it wouldn’t just be training and acedemy upgrades, but a whole new training ground and academy complex in a new location. The sort of campus that Premier League clubs are building, and something that would be for every age group could use. It would also have meant that we would be able to invest a lot more into the woman’s team and included a female acedemy. All of this is what Rafa has said is essential to the club long term, and as I have said it’s what the bigger clubs in the league are doing. Staveley was nowhere near a tyre kicker, she even went out of her way to being in the Rueben brothers who own land in Newcastle that is to be developed in order to not only kick start the development of the club, but the city as a whole. Give over. This is basically what George Caulkin said, and he's seen evidence of the bids made. Ashley doesn't want to sell unless at a ridiculous price - hence he put the price up to £400m. Exactly this. The lad I know in the Middle East spoke to Staveley, knew the people involved and that they'd verbally agreed to the deal. Ashley changed his mind out of the blue after a boozy lunch meeting, and released the 'time waster' stuff through Bishop/The Sun. Anybody who believes the Ashley side of this story, is quite frankly, a fucking idiot. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I honestly think the whole 'he doesn'y give a shit' thing is massively getting in our way, like. Obviously not just you GA because loads of other fans feel that way and it's understandable, but if you look at the evidence I'd argue that he definitely gives a shit* (even if it's just the perception of him, his public image and share prices that he gives a shit about), it's just about getting him to the point where he gives enough of a shit about the hassle, pressure from shareholders, the bad press, and subsequently, hopefully, the lack or reduction of outside investment in his brands as a result, that he decides it's not worth it, genuinely tries to sell the club and not just at a deliberately high price to ward off potential buyers and get the fans off his back so he can carry on doing the same old shit he's been doing for 11 years. We're not there, but imo that has to be the aim. * Keegan protest - Club for sale SackPardew protest - Hires PR Firm and has Jonas' cancer announced before Hull game Level 7 sing songs about him - disbands singing section Spurs protest - £80m transfer budget AshleyOut - Sky interview Panorama documentary - Club statement about link between NUFC and SD I take the point that the club being for sale thing isn't for real, but he's done that to be able to say the club's for sale to get people off his back. Even if it's just at that level, he gives a shit, so we need to never not be on his back. You're absolutely right, I just worded it badly, I meant he doesn't give a shit about the club progressing. He's happy for it to coast along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Does it matter when she opens negotiations? Do it during the season and you are always close to a transfer window, sometimes those deals take time. Do it during a transfer window and you have the problem of doing it during a transfer window. The problem was never about her having negotiations close to or during the transfer window, the problem was the owner using it as an excuse to not buy anyone or keep the club running as it should have been. Why would he spent money on the club if he thinks its going to be sold? Especially if the new owners don't agree with the signings? Of course it matters when the deal is being made. If she was serious she'd have been back in as soon as safety was confirmed. It's not happening, it never was unless she scored it on the cheap (I;m sure just the same as Ashley isn't going to sell unless he gets an over inflated fee) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Ashley's silence is deafening just now, I wouldn't mind a Staveley comment and a Rafa quote over the weekend to put a bit of pressure on the fat fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Does it matter when she opens negotiations? Do it during the season and you are always close to a transfer window, sometimes those deals take time. Do it during a transfer window and you have the problem of doing it during a transfer window. The problem was never about her having negotiations close to or during the transfer window, the problem was the owner using it as an excuse to not buy anyone or keep the club running as it should have been. Why would he spent money on the club if he thinks its going to be sold? Especially if the new owners don't agree with the signings? Of course it matters when the deal is being made. If she was serious she'd have been back in as soon as safety was confirmed. It's not happening, it never was unless she scored it on the cheap (I;m sure just the same as Ashley isn't going to sell unless he gets an over inflated fee) He never needed to spend his money, he just needed to spend the money that was in the clubs account, the money that would be transferred over in the event of a sale in anyway. Why do people keep coming out with the guff that if the clubs spends money then Ashley is spending money, that’s not how it works and it’s not how it has ever worked under Ashley’s tenure here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just to get this straight Caulkin is "agenda driven" and Staveley is a "tyre kicker", Dokko man, please stop. Totally out of context like. I'm happy with his agenda, but to say he doesn't have one is naive. I saw nothing from Staveley's bid to suggest otherwise. The fact it impacted on our transfer window (like i said it would in early December) left a bitter feeling. We got lucky with our much maligned loans, but the damage the bid nearly done to us was almost catastrophic. I don't know if i'd want that near the club in all honesty, even if it meant getting rid of Ashley. Just another party who doesn't fully grasp football. Again how naive you must be if you believe it actually impacted our transfer window. The press release from Ashley/Bishop etc said the last contact was made just before the window had opened and they stated they will no longer be discussing it with Staveley so they had a full month to do any transfers, so what stopped them? (Probably the same thing that has stopped them from multiple other windows) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Aye, most transfer windows under Ashley without takeover rumours hanging over them have been a roaring success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Does it matter when she opens negotiations? Do it during the season and you are always close to a transfer window, sometimes those deals take time. Do it during a transfer window and you have the problem of doing it during a transfer window. The problem was never about her having negotiations close to or during the transfer window, the problem was the owner using it as an excuse to not buy anyone or keep the club running as it should have been. Why would he spent money on the club if he thinks its going to be sold? Especially if the new owners don't agree with the signings? Of course it matters when the deal is being made. If she was serious she'd have been back in as soon as safety was confirmed. It's not happening, it never was unless she scored it on the cheap (I;m sure just the same as Ashley isn't going to sell unless he gets an over inflated fee) He never needed to spend his money, he just needed to spend the money that was in the clubs account, the money that would be transferred over in the event of a sale in anyway. Why do people keep coming out with the guff that if the clubs spends money then Ashley is spending money, that’s not how it works and it’s not how it has ever worked under Ashley’s tenure here. Change that to the clubs money, same point stands. WE blow £50m on signings that the new owners didn't want or we sell a player they wanted to keep, its not great for them and could end the deal. Teams don't spend money during takeover talks, it potentially changes the value of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Oh you said so, must be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I would imagine Staveley would be happy so long as Rafa sanctions the signings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Aye, most transfer windows under Ashley without takeover rumours hanging over them have been a roaring success. This was worse than most, especially as we looked like we were 50/50 to go down. Wonder if the nosedive in form had anything to do with the rumours and that most fans and press were speculating and daft money to basically replace the whole team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I was concerned at the way it played out do publicly like There wasn't anything at all from her side until he ran crying to Sky Sports News like, the expected media rumours aside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Oh you said so, must be true. You know what, I could have just sat here with the information I know and not told anyone. I decided to tell people on here even though I knew I would be laughed at. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t give a shit. At the end of the day I have went out and tried to change something in order to get my club back, apart from turning into Keith Bishop what the fuck have done to get the club out of this situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Oh you said so, must be true. You know what, I could have just sat here with the information I know and not told anyone. I decided to tell people on here even though I knew I would be laughed at. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t give a shit. At the end of the day I have went out and tried to change something in order to get my club back, apart from turning into Keith Bishop what the fuck have done to get the club out of this situation? You pretended to have a conversation with someone. Well fucking done. Blue Peter badge is in the post. It'll not be long before you are on the register for stalking her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/28/time-for-amanda-staveley-to-up-her-interest-maybe-400m-isnt-too-much-after-all/ perfect timing :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I was concerned at the way it played out do publicly like There wasn't anything at all from her side until he ran crying to Sky Sports News like, the expected media rumours aside. This is true but wasn't she a guest of Rafa at the Liverpool game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I was concerned at the way it played out do publicly like There wasn't anything at all from her side until he ran crying to Sky Sports News like, the expected media rumours aside. Richard Desmond and the Chinese restaurant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Oh you said so, must be true. You know what, I could have just sat here with the information I know and not told anyone. I decided to tell people on here even though I knew I would be laughed at. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t give a shit. At the end of the day I have went out and tried to change something in order to get my club back, apart from turning into Keith Bishop what the fuck have done to get the club out of this situation? You pretended to have a conversation with someone. Well fucking done. Blue Peter badge is in the post. It'll not be long before you are on the register for stalking her. My point proven. You’re just someone who hides behind a keyboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Also Dokko, she has been back in for the club since safety was confirmed. I even said this after the Liecester match. Oh you said so, must be true. You know what, I could have just sat here with the information I know and not told anyone. I decided to tell people on here even though I knew I would be laughed at. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t give a shit. At the end of the day I have went out and tried to change something in order to get my club back, apart from turning into Keith Bishop what the fuck have done to get the club out of this situation? You pretended to have a conversation with someone. Well fucking done. Blue Peter badge is in the post. It'll not be long before you are on the register for stalking her. My point proven. You’re just someone who hides behind a keyboard. Aye, whereas you are someone who'll hide in her bushes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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