Amir_9 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) If we were to be ruthless I can see us letting all the 3 sub GKs go and sign someone to really give Pope a fight for that number 1 spot. Don't think Karius or most definitely not fucking Gillespie would have made much of a difference during these run of games with Pope injured unfortunately. Dubs was very good when he first arrived (with the occasional unreal performance here and there) and I feel the minute Pope came in and took his spot that more or less finished him mentally and physically here. Him wanting a loan move rather than fighting for number one spot should tell you what his motivations and attitude really was like at the club by this point and him returning I don't know if he was mentally upto it anymore. Edited December 13, 2023 by Amir_9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Certainly not blaming him for either goal. But he does dive without using his arms. Which seems a bit daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Certainly not blaming him for either goal. But he does dive without using his arms. Which seems a bit daft. Like a Dolphin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Certainly not blaming him for either goal. But he does dive without using his arms. Which seems a bit daft. I am - they were right at him. He is utterly useless. I've yet to see him make a save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, 54 said: Huh? He didn't put a foot wrong tonight Didn’t put one right either, never uses his feet and that’s half the problem. Glued to his line always trying the billy the fish dive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 When you see they score with their first shot on target and it goes through Dubs legs…. You do think.. ‘man i think Pope saves that’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) Since his return I'm yet to see him make a save that isn't more or less straight at him. Edited December 13, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 He's grim like I can't wait till we get a new GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Can’t believe how much he’s went back over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: When you see they score with their first shot on target and it goes through Dubs legs…. You do think.. ‘man i think Pope saves that’. 100% - I was right behind both goals. A competent keeper saves them - Dubs just feel to the ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Not his fault tonight but you’re 100% correct dude. The goal is a lot bigger with him in it. Look let me be clear. Nothing is really his fault in a situation like that. But you back a keeper to make a big time save in that scenario, particularly a guy who used to be a legit PL #1. But he’s not getting any fucking lift on mid-high shots at all. His technique seems so far gone than what it used to be. Given, Harper, Krul, Pope and Loris. Yes, him. Make that save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I’m benching him and selling him in Jan. I’d play a fucking academy kid over Martin. He offers us nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Talking about the second goal? I'd have to watch it again but from what I remember it looked a quality finish and I don't think any of them get near it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 You ever see a movie called White Man Can’t Jump? Starring Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes. That describes our current #1 who didn’t bother lifting himself off the ground for a shot a guy was clearly going far post and high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Without blaming him for any of the multiple goals he's shipping but at least as importantly he's saving dick all. Shots to goals conceded ratio is very unnerving. Nothing to be lost by going Karius at this point, even for Dubs. Miss the halcyon days of expert folk on here slagging Pope off already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kanji said: You ever see a movie called White Man Can’t Jump? Starring Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes. That describes our current #1 who didn’t bother lifting himself off the ground for a shot a guy was clearly going far post and high. Yeah I've seen it, Woody Harrelson gets the key dunk at the end of that film IIRC. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dubs is amazing, by any means. I just don't remember him being really at fault for the goals today, but I'd need to see them again to be fair. Edited December 13, 2023 by Checko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I keep trying to tell myself 'not many back ups could save the kind of shots Pope regularly got to' but I think I'd accept a punt on De Gea now. Again a scramble in our box that I can't help but feel Pope would've taken control of at some point, and the resulting goal was a shot straight at him. Granted the odds were in Milan's favour for the second goal with Schar still in their half. But his 'dive' looks shocking imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 We have bee so used to Pope's quality that Dubs seems bad now without even being even at Elliot or Darlow's level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Good to see the scape goat is being used again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Yeah Nick Pope is a brilliant goalkeeper and hard to be compared to his standard. People like to focus on Pope's obvious weakness, which is that it's mildly terrifying whenever he's passed to and there's an opponent in our half of the pitch, but apart from that he's so good at everything else. Looking at the Pope thread, when he signed there were some saying he's good, and lots of 'is he that much of an upgrade on Dubs?' 'Is it really a priority position to upgrade?'. Then a month or two later it's all 'holy crap he's a massive upgrade.' That difference has only increased with a year and half of Dubs' inactivity. Still, perhaps he'll end up scoring the winning dunk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: Good to see the scape goat is being used again. my guy, you know I’m never like this. His technique is fucking shocking. Not even getting into the madness of others who should have done something about letting that specific break happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyDogs Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 9 goals in 3 games man. We have 3 absolutely shit keepers behind Pope all 3 need binning off end of the season. I said it after Spurs but if we are playing this guy for 6 months then we are going to concede a lot of goals and are going to lose games frequently. I truly cant see him keeping 6 clean sheets from now until the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: Good to see the scape goat is being used again. I appreciate he's not the sole reason for the outcome tonight. The whole team lost their way a bit second half, Fab's madman run leaving us without our best defender for the second, Miggy's one-footedness mixed with a cracking clearance and another cracking save, it's fine margins at this level. But that's what makes it even more gutting that we couldn't have Pope available because he could've been that fine margin that at least gave us Europa League with one of his vintages saves with the feet, or simply being able to dive. I wanted to give him a chance, I've still got all the time and respect in the world for his time at the club (the Man U loan situation is majorly overblown by some imo), but I don't see how we can rely on him for an extended period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Amir_9 said: If we were to be ruthless I can see us letting all the 3 sub GKs go and sign someone to really give Pope a fight for that number 1 spot. Don't think Karius or most definitely not fucking Gillespie would have made much of a difference during these run of games with Pope injured unfortunately. Dubs was very good when he first arrived (with the occasional unreal performance here and there) and I feel the minute Pope came in and took his spot that more or less finished him mentally and physically here. Him wanting a loan move rather than fighting for number one spot should tell you what his motivations and attitude really was like at the club by this point and him returning I don't know if he was mentally upto it anymore. That's what I'd do tbh. Ship out Dubravka, Karius and Gillespie in the same window and buy a genuine elite number one, Pope stays for cups and as the bench option and sign a young up and coming starlet to learn off them two and act as cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) You need a goalie to make saves when it matters or what’s the point of persisting? It’s not like he’s fucking Jak Alnwick. its the same with relying on strikers to score when a flash point requires. Edited December 14, 2023 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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