Sean Longstaff

[Terrymac1966]

Harsh

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Been no worse than Bruno.

 

That's a different conversation though. Bruno hasn't been great, but he's not clumsy on the ball, and he doesn't shit his pants when he gets it.

[LFEE]

He’s not th e best or my cup of tea but pretty sure he’d be better if the fans supported and encouraged him.

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, LFEE said:

He’s not th e best or my cup of tea but pretty sure he’d be better if the fans supported and encouraged him.

Aye, he’s not good enough and he shouldn’t be getting starts ahead of Tonali
 

But fans calling him worse than shite from kick off isn’t going to make him play any better, it’s just shan

 

So many people seem to hate his guts and can’t wait to scream abuse at him 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

But fans calling him worse than shite from kick off isn’t going to make him play any better, it’s just shan

 

Do we do that? I usually wait until he makes his first horrific mistake. 

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Do we do that? I usually wait until he makes his first horrific mistake. 

I’ve been next to people in the ground who start slagging him as soon as the ref blows his whistle 

 

Happened multiple times last season, in different parts of the ground  

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[David Edgar]

His control is cumbersome. His first touch isn't instinctive, he has to measure it and even then he often fails to maneuver the ball into the optimum position. So he's already on the back foot when a defender closes him down. Then has has to really think about the pass he's got to make and that adds even more time on. He knows all of this, so his game is ultra cautious. When he has no choice but play more expansively, when he is time limited by a strong opposition press, you can guarantee he'll duff the pass.

 

He slows down our possession and restricts our possession passing with very safe, ineffective choices.

 

Tonali pls.

[LFEE]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Do we do that? I usually wait until he makes his first horrific mistake. 

To what benefit?

[Solitude20]

2 hours ago, Pilko said:

 

This isn't the problem though. Having him around as a squad player, cover etc. makes perfect sense. Starting him ahead of Tonali is absolutely baffling and needless.

Even as a squad player, I would choose Miley over him. Miley has an excellent potential and he won’t reach it without a proper playing time. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, LFEE said:

To what benefit?

 

No benefit obviously, I'm just reacting to things that happen in the game. Personally I'm sighing and groaning rather than directly abusing him, FWIW. 

 

At home I abuse him more freely. 

[LFEE]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

No benefit obviously, I'm just reacting to things that happen in the game. Personally I'm sighing and groaning rather than directly abusing him, FWIW. 

 

At home I abuse him more freely. 

Try standing up and encouraging him. Might catch on with those around you.

 

Through whatever you want at the TV at home of course 

[80]

2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

No benefit obviously, I'm just reacting to things that happen in the game. Personally I'm sighing and groaning rather than directly abusing him, FWIW. 

 

At home I abuse him more freely. 

This is my favourite vendetta on the forum, certainly since Nut retired from harrying Pope. Keep up the good work.

[HawK]

Needs a spell out of the team, imo. Working hard on the training ground and getting back to the Longstaff that was so impressive when he first broke into the team.

[Ginola14]

3 hours ago, LFEE said:

He’s not th e best or my cup of tea but pretty sure he’d be better if the fans supported and encouraged him.

I've noticed since early last season that every single game he scores around 2 on the BBC player ratings 

 

always waaaaay lower than every other player on the pitch, even when he scores/plays well! 

 

it's quite mad, honestly think there's a large portion of our fanbase that's  slightly unhinged and if we ever do win something their sense of entitlement will become unbearable 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Ginola14

[timnufc22]

Shades of Sir Bobby with Jenas, Ameobi and a few others. He just couldn’t bring himself to drop those players and the fans’ frustration seeing the same thing over & over built up and exploded. Howe has got to read the room. Like those players, I don’t think Longstaff would be anywhere near as much a bugbear for fans if he was rotated. 
 

I hate any anger & frustration toward local players and they should be playing in an environment of support & encouragement. Even if Longstaff started the best games, the most logical thing would be to big him up and support him to increase his confidence. But as some also vent at players, there’s naturally going to be that explosion of frustration which will do no-one any good. 

[LFEE]

7 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

Shades of Sir Bobby with Jenas, Ameobi and a few others. He just couldn’t bring himself to drop those players and the fans’ frustration seeing the same thing over & over built up and exploded. Howe has got to read the room. Like those players, I don’t think Longstaff would be anywhere near as much a bugbear for fans if he was rotated. 
 

I hate any anger & frustration toward local players and they should be playing in an environment of support & encouragement. Even if Longstaff started the best games, the most logical thing would be to big him up and support him to increase his confidence. But as some also vent at players, there’s naturally going to be that explosion of frustration which will do no-one any good. 

Worked out well for you then and everyone else thinking the same when thy sacked SBR 

 

Tonali has been available for a three games and has featured in them all. Longstaff played so much last season because of his suspension and other midfield injuries. Tonali’s time will come. As will Willock also returning from three injuries.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by LFEE

[timnufc22]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Worked out well for you then and everyone else thinking the same when thy sacked SBR 

 

Tonali has been available for a three games and has featured in them all. Longstaff played so much last season because of his suspension and other midfield injuries. Tonali’s time will come. As will Willock also returning from three injuries.

 

 

 

Wasn’t talking about myself; personally I was mortified at the time at how a lot of fans behaved at the end of SBR’s reign, was ridiculous.

 

I’m saying when it comes to individual players who have not been doing it for some time, you’ve got to manage the environment sometimes too and protect the player aswell as the team. 

[LFEE]

4 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

Wasn’t talking about myself; personally I was mortified at the time at how a lot of fans behaved at the end of SBR’s reign, was ridiculous.

 

I’m saying when it comes to individual players who have not been doing it for some time, you’ve got to manage the environment sometimes too and protect the player aswell as the team. 

 

I think that is one of EH’s strengths. Hence why new players aren’t simply chucked in to sink or swim. I repeat the problem EH has had with the Longstaff issue is he had little to no other options for 11 months. I’m guessing EH trying to inform and remind fans that Longstaff was playing injured for the team was his best option of defending him.

 

Don’t forget Longstaff displaced Tonali from the team and we started to get results again. Short memories from so many.

 

Tonali’s time will come in the upcoming games no doubt. EH just wants the best version of him before he plays 90mins.

[Wallsendmag]

Admittedly I've been a complete armchair fan this season due to ballot failures and away tickets being out of reach these days meaning I've only watched the matches on TV so maybe he's doing loads of good stuff off the ball and working hard off camera that I'm not seeing but he just seems to be a passenger in that team right now.

[Sergio]

[gbandit]

5 minutes ago, Sergio said:

What was this original image from?

[KaKa]

Here's where I am with this now.

 

We are failing Sean Longstaff.

 

Just as we are failing Murphy/Almiron.

 

Just as we are failing Tino Livramento.

 

I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to be too down on anyone on that right side, because the combination is all wrong.

 

As soon as I saw these three in the team together I knew it was going to be a mess, as they just do not mesh well and it leads to a multitude of problems.

 

Longstaff just wants to play it simple to the man nearest him and make runs forward in and around the box to get shots away. He needs a full back that is really good with the ball and can take more on as a passer, as well as a decent right winger that can carry the ball forward and create more space for him.

 

In the fourth place season this guy was starting games, and he was far more useful and not as much of a hindrance to the team.

 

During that period Miggy was playing out of his skin on the right wing and Trippier was incredible facilitating a lot of play from right back. These things allowed Longstaff to be a very functional and useful contributor.

 

With the current options we should not be playing him if Trippier is not playing as well. 

 

Equally Tonali's quick passing, ball carrying and vision, will benefit Tino massively, as he wants to play the ball inside and then bomb forward on the overlap.

 

Longstaff and Trippier / Tonali and Tino, would save us so much grief!

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by KaKa

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Think you could say the same about putting Hall outside of Burn. 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Think you could say the same about putting Hall outside of Burn. 

 

I think when Hall plays, he should be given freedom to get forward to support Gordon more, and Joelinton should be tasked with being a bit more conservative position wise to cover for him.

 

Hall was sitting deeper most of the time yesterday, which is pretty pointless.

 

He is excellent going forward, that is his strength.

 

Let Joe cover and keep things simpler, and have Gordon and Hall combine further forward.

[Cf]

Longstaff is one of those players who falls under "great servant to the club, please don't make it so I start to get sick of the sight of him" so if he could be slowly phased out of the team that would be just lovely.