Guest Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing. He left because there was no trust and no ambition and things were not being done right. The situation you describe is just one of hundreds of examples of this in action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I agree in that he probably felt the money could be better spent. I'd be sure he also felt £20 million could be better spent. It's not as if he needs targets identified to him by Ashley and his cronies. I've just not seen it mentioned as a particular factor in his leaving. I could have missed something though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? He could write off £20m from his loans I suppose. No idea if we paid cash up front or whether it was in instalments. Either way I doubt it would mean him physically paying over £20m immediately, and in reality I doubt he will subsidise it all now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 One day doing transfers normally like a regular club will prevail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? He could write off £20m from his loans I suppose. No idea if we paid cash up front or whether it was in instalments. Either way I doubt it would mean him physically paying over £20m immediately, and in reality I doubt he will subsidise it all now! Ashley write off £20m of loans you say? Hmmm...that never occurred to me for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Give the lad his due he hasn't faked an injury and bottled it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 only dipping in and out of the threads these days but he looked far more comfortable vs. burnley roaming about and looking for the ball than he does standing 50 yards from the rest of the team trying to get his head on long balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Give the lad his due he hasn't faked an injury and bottled it. This is, and a couple of things he has done - that make me think he might come good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 He needs to be dropped in my opinion, Gayle came on and at least offered something different, Joe's confidence is shot and he isn't working as hard as he used to when he first joined, i think he will be a good impact sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mute deserves a shot over him to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Swap him for Mitro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Swap him for Andy Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 swear to god Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I genuinely still have belief in him. I think he will come good. Confidence plays such a massive massive part in a players performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I genuinely still have belief in him. I think he will come good. Confidence plays such a massive massive part in a players performance. it's mitro under mcclaren again really, astonishing the people telling us to bin him off can't see the commonalities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 People will tell you that Mitro scored 13 goals or whatever in his first season. Joelinton aint a centre forward though. Something they have in common though, is that both were thrown in straight away, with no chance of adapting gradually, massive pressure from the off as well as being young. As well as not having any other forward to carry som of that burden on their shoulders. In a team which isn't quite clicking when going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 People will tell you that Mitro scored 13 goals or whatever in his first season. Joelinton aint a centre forward though. well exactly, he's certainly not the player we're trying to make him, just like mitro couldn't be the player that rafa wanted him to be i remember when we signed him people from germany likened him to firmino, and that's what he looks like to me...playing as a deep/false nine roaming about looking for the ball and moving about into space i'm sure bruce will get the best out of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mitrovic was getting himself into positions to score and still managed 9. If Joelinton gets to 9 from here he’ll have done brilliantly second half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 i feel like the labour party, nothing you say makes any difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mitrovic was getting himself into positions to score and still managed 9. If Joelinton gets to 9 from here he’ll have done brilliantly second half of the season. Playing in his natural position Mitrovic did that yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 i feel like the labour party, nothing you say makes any difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing. He left because there was no trust and no ambition and things were not being done right. The situation you describe is just one of hundreds of examples of this in action. Given how hard he'd had to work to convince Ashley to spend £20m on Miggy, I'd suggest the prospect of seeing double that spunked on a player he didn't particularly rate when trying to strengthen a squad desperately short in several areas was a pretty big factor in Rafa deciding enough was enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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