Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Happinesstan]

It's actually depressing man. I saw the video you mentioned.

 

There are also numerous scouting articles from his time in Germany that talk about the type of player he is and even some talking about what Newcastle would be getting and how to get the best of him after we had bought him.

 

They are all very positive and speak of the qualities he can bring in the right setup and of his big potential to get even better. I can only imagine how baffled they are in Germany at our incompetence.

 

It's funny because the same thing is happening to an even better player at West Ham, in Haller, who a lot of people on here wanted last summer. He is getting destroyed by another PFM in Moyes, who is playing a 30 year old converted winger upfront instead of him and then complaining about needing funds for players.

 

The same guy had Felipe Anderson and Lanzini on the bench while playing a midfield of Rice, Noble and Soucek against us. Three holding midfielders. Against a Newcastle United side that hasn't exactly been a swash buckling attacking outfit under Bruce.

 

It's just so pathetic really

 

The German's also said buying a volkswagon would save the planet.

 

Don't trust their sales patter one bit.

[Dr Jinx]

We really saying Joelinton should be in the team ahead of Almiron?

 

No I’m not saying that, I just would like to see him played in a position and to his strengths, being in the same starting 11 as Wilson, Fraser, ASM etc.. players who will make runs and create space for him.

 

Just lumping the ball up to him or hoofing it into the channels and expecting him to do something with it is not fair on the lad.

 

I think the way ASM, Almiron or even Fraser play, they’ll need to be rotated to keep them injury free so there’s definitely a place for the lad.

[Unbelievable]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

 

It’s as simple as that

 

Our best team doesn’t have Joelinton in it. You might as well argue that we should have put the ginger Pirlo in the team with the remaining best players to get the best out of him. You have to do what’s best for the team, not what’s best for an individual player. What’s best for the team is Joelinton sitting on the bench and more capable players out on the pitch.

 

 

[Conjo]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

 

It’s as simple as that

 

Our best team doesn’t have Joelinton in it. You might as well argue that we should have put the ginger Pirlo in the team with the remaining best players to get the best out of him. You have to do what’s best for the team, not what’s best for an individual player. What’s best for the team is Joelinton sitting on the bench and more capable players out on the pitch.

 

 

 

I don't think anyone is "envisioning" Joelinton in that role at the expense of Almiron. However some want to see what Joelinton can add to the team in such a role, as he's never been given the opportunity to play in the role he had success with in Germany. Don't see what is so outrageous about that. ASM/Almiron/Fraser are all interchangable so there's definitely room to add Joelinton for a few matches to give him a chance to prove himself.

[Judge Holden]

Just cut our losses & flog the bastard if we can find a buyer.

[Nobody]

#teamDisco

[Rod]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

 

It’s as simple as that

 

Our best team doesn’t have Joelinton in it. You might as well argue that we should have put the ginger Pirlo in the team with the remaining best players to get the best out of him. You have to do what’s best for the team, not what’s best for an individual player. What’s best for the team is Joelinton sitting on the bench and more capable players out on the pitch.

I wouldn't even have him on the bench.  He contributes nothing at all.  That's  nothing at all.  He's hopeless, clueless and useless.  Get rid!

[KaKa]

PFM ALERT!!!

[Unbelievable]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

 

It’s as simple as that

 

Our best team doesn’t have Joelinton in it. You might as well argue that we should have put the ginger Pirlo in the team with the remaining best players to get the best out of him. You have to do what’s best for the team, not what’s best for an individual player. What’s best for the team is Joelinton sitting on the bench and more capable players out on the pitch.

 

 

 

I don't think anyone is "envisioning" Joelinton in that role at the expense of Almiron. However some want to see what Joelinton can add to the team in such a role, as he's never been given the opportunity to play in the role he had success with in Germany. Don't see what is so outrageous about that. ASM/Almiron/Fraser are all interchangable so there's definitely room to add Joelinton for a few matches to give him a chance to prove himself.

 

There’s literally a post that Kanji’s post was in response to with a team lineup envisioning just that. The point is that we have better options, that you would need to drop, for the position where you might get the best out of Joelinton.

[Stifmeister]

Sell him as soon as possible. Wilson is much better

[Conjo]

Almiron will score, assist and work better for the team in that role you guys envision for Joelinton. I wish it wasn’t so but it’s fact. It’s pointless to say anything else because the player and manager are not suited for one another and when given the chance to just make a proper play or show something - Jo simply hasn’t gotten the job done or shown any glimpses he will here.

 

It’s as simple as that

 

Our best team doesn’t have Joelinton in it. You might as well argue that we should have put the ginger Pirlo in the team with the remaining best players to get the best out of him. You have to do what’s best for the team, not what’s best for an individual player. What’s best for the team is Joelinton sitting on the bench and more capable players out on the pitch.

 

 

 

I don't think anyone is "envisioning" Joelinton in that role at the expense of Almiron. However some want to see what Joelinton can add to the team in such a role, as he's never been given the opportunity to play in the role he had success with in Germany. Don't see what is so outrageous about that. ASM/Almiron/Fraser are all interchangable so there's definitely room to add Joelinton for a few matches to give him a chance to prove himself.

 

There’s literally a post that Kanji’s post was in response to with a team lineup envisioning just that. The point is that we have better options, that you would need to drop, for the position where you might get the best out of Joelinton.

 

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought he meant he would like Joelinton given a chance to prove himself in that position, not taking anyone's place by default. If he's given a chance in a more favorable position and shows us why he cost £40m then he would be part of our best 11 and should start as a result, no?

 

If he's never going to be used as anything other than a lone striker then I agree he might as well be loaned out or sold as he should be behind Wilson, Gayle and Carroll in the pecking order.

[Unbelievable]

Well if he is given the chance it will be at the expense of someone currently more deserving by default (in that example Almiron). To my mind if he wants that chance he will have to earn it, which he can by showing in training what he could do and by displaying a modicum of ability and desire in the game time which he is given, which in fairness has been far more significant than he has merited so far during his time here thanks to his price tag and the lack of alternatives last year. Now we have more alternatives he will have a battle on his hands to get back into the first team, let alone in this position he's supposed to be far better suited for in theory.

[prefabtoon]

Bruce is under orders from Ashley to play Joe linton. he was Bought by Ashley and Bruce is under orders to pencil him in every week.

[geordie john]

Bruce is under orders from Ashley to play Joe linton. he was Bought by Ashley and Bruce is under orders to pencil him in every week.

 

You know this from?

 

No orders.

[prefabtoon]

Bruce is under orders from Ashley to play Joe linton. he was Bought by Ashley and Bruce is under orders to pencil him in every week.

 

You know this from?

Ashley wont allow his judgment to be questioned, Ashley's way of thinking is he is bound to come good sooner or later.

If Bruce wasn't under orders he would have lent him out or sold him to get his wages of our books.

He is just a passenger we cannot afford to have on the field.

No orders.

[Kanj]

Well if he is given the chance it will be at the expense of someone currently more deserving by default (in that example Almiron). To my mind if he wants that chance he will have to earn it, which he can by showing in training what he could do and by displaying a modicum of ability and desire in the game time which he is given, which in fairness has been far more significant than he has merited so far during his time here thanks to his price tag and the lack of alternatives last year. Now we have more alternatives he will have a battle on his hands to get back into the first team, let alone in this position he's supposed to be far better suited for in theory.

 

Even if he's not a striker, he cost 40m and he looked terrible doing simple things versus Blackburn. OK, maybe he's out of form, fine. But the point still stands - he has not earned his place into the team. People need to stop trying to shoe-horn a 40m player into the team because of what he used to do 2 seasons ago at Hoffenheim.

[KaKa]

No one is trying to shoehorn him into the team. I don't know why people keep saying this.

 

All that has been said is that at some point it would be nice to see him used how he was at his previous club that led to the top scout reports and the spending of £40 million on him. It's basic common sense really.

 

When Almiron was being played on the right side under Bruce and looking poor there and being called a headless chicken who couldn't finish, what turned it around was him eventually being moved to playing off the front man where he had done well in the MLS. In the MLS he either played off the front or on the left. He had also looked good on the left under Rafa. For whatever reason Bruce in his infinite wisdom came in and was using him on the right, and he was being fast tracked to the 'he is shite, get rid' pile.

 

This whole thing is just getting ridiculous now, but whatever. Best case scenario he just gets a good club and leaves. Even worse than the managers mismanagement of the player is the fans haste to completely write off the player.

[Sean]

Well if he is given the chance it will be at the expense of someone currently more deserving by default (in that example Almiron). To my mind if he wants that chance he will have to earn it, which he can by showing in training what he could do and by displaying a modicum of ability and desire in the game time which he is given, which in fairness has been far more significant than he has merited so far during his time here thanks to his price tag and the lack of alternatives last year. Now we have more alternatives he will have a battle on his hands to get back into the first team, let alone in this position he's supposed to be far better suited for in theory.

 

Even if he's not a striker, he cost 40m and he looked terrible doing simple things versus Blackburn. OK, maybe he's out of form, fine. But the point still stands - he has not earned his place into the team. People need to stop trying to shoe-horn a 40m player into the team because of what he used to do 2 seasons ago at Hoffenheim.

 

He's not even a £40 million player. I'd love to see some actual evidence that NUFC paid that much for him but I'm convinced it doesn't exist. I'd be amazed if the club have actually paid out more than £16 million for him. Even then, Ashley has been had completely.

[KaKa]

cringe worthy stuff.

[Sean]

cringe worthy stuff.

 

Your last post about him was pretty cringeworthy. It definitely can't be cringeworthy to suggest he's not worth £40 million, unless you are off your rocker.

 

What is it about him that impresses you so much?

 

And also, why do you take any criticism of him so personally?

[KaKa]

You're the one imagining the fee was made up. I just think that's strange man

[Sean]

You're the one imagining the fee was made up. I just think that's strange man

 

Well if I'm not mistaken it was reported as worth "upto £40 million".

 

If you think Ashley has paid out that full amount then I give up.

[KaKa]

And for what it's worth he played under one of the best managers, and for a champion's league team, where he was a main fixture.

 

I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't throw him on the rubbish heap just yet, as our brilliant manager clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

 

You folks were the same ones that were ridiculing Almiron not too long ago, and now you all love him.

[TRon]

Well if he is given the chance it will be at the expense of someone currently more deserving by default (in that example Almiron). To my mind if he wants that chance he will have to earn it, which he can by showing in training what he could do and by displaying a modicum of ability and desire in the game time which he is given, which in fairness has been far more significant than he has merited so far during his time here thanks to his price tag and the lack of alternatives last year. Now we have more alternatives he will have a battle on his hands to get back into the first team, let alone in this position he's supposed to be far better suited for in theory.

 

Which is all good from my perspective, I have said from the start of last season he should never have been the no 1 striker regardless of the alleged £40m fee. Best thing for him now is to be starting from the bench and with less expectation. I like aspects of his game so still think he has potential.

[Sean]

And for what it's worth he played under one of the best managers, and for a champion's league team, where he was a main fixture.

 

I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't throw him on the rubbish heap just yet, as our brilliant manager clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

 

You folks were the same ones that were ridiculing Almiron not too long ago, and now you all love him.

 

Ahem, I never rubbished Almiron as his quality is obvious to anyone.

 

He was also bought by a manager for a specific reason, to fit into a team and was scouted extensively (and opinions from people that knew him sought).

 

This clown was bought by Ashley to calm the masses as an expensive signing. Not really for footballing reasons.

 

There is no comparison between the 2.

 

Stop getting so defensive of an Ashley signing...it's cringeworthy (to use your own words).