Other games (2021/22)

[Andy]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Class this. proper club

Great stuff. Even looking beyond their silverware in recent years, Leicester are the epitome of what we can only dream of Newcastle being. A club full of people who care, from top to bottom, and want give it their best possible crack on the pitch.

[Guest]

It’s what Ashley could have done as well. If he’d went from the top bracket or Carr’s lists, he could have sold 2-3 years later for much bigger fees and recycled like that in a similar way to Leicester.

[Guest neesy111]

 

[RodneyCisse]

Ah I want to see the aftermath of that now

[Fantail Breeze]

10 hours ago, Wullie said:

It wasn't as marginal as they come like. This was given offside.

Today was clear with the naked eye. Soyuncu is comfortably behind the line of the penalty area while Chilwell is level with it. I'm more than happy to bin the whole thing but if they brought in an umpire's call/daylight system, today would still have been offside.

But VAR isn’t able to freeze the frame with certainty at the moment the ball is struck. You’re measuring something in mm that can’t even be accurate to begin with.

The camera is also not in line with the players and at an angle, which will distort the reality.

With the naked eye, they look level. If this was pre-VAR, I doubt it’d even be a discussion. I didn’t see a single Leicester player claim offside either.

That’s before you can even consider how Chilwell can be offside using a part of the body he’s unable to play the ball with.

If we have to deal with VAR, they should look at it without lines and unless it’s clearly offside to the naked eye - the original decision should stand. 

The absolute draining of celebration yesterday was everything minging that VAR brings. Won’t be long until people can’t celebrate until the game has kicked off again. I’m pretty much already at that point now.

Then we get onto Leicester’s goal. At the start of the season was it Liverpool at Spurs who had a very similar one? Firminho(?) handling it accidentally on the halfway line led to a goal disallowed. Farcical. It adds insult to injury that the referee in the final yesterday gave a handball against Chelsea in the first half for something similar, when it was clearly accidental but the hand stopped the ball going past the man.

I don’t think Leicester’s should have been disallowed, but there is no consistency with the rules anymore. Handball used to be clear - it has to be deliberate. Now, it seems some are, and some aren’t. And we’ve had rules changed halfway through the season.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Fantail Breeze

[Guest]

This is where I think the offside law is crap. I reckon it should be a goal if part is onside. That should be a goal to me but in the current rules, it’s off. Start the lines from Chilwell’s right heel and Soyuncu’s right shoulder.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Optimistic Nut

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

This is where I think the offside law is crap. I reckon it should be if part is onside. That should be a goal to me but in the current rules, it’s off. Start the lines from Chilwell’s right heel and Soyuncu’s right shoulder.

We shouldn’t need to change the rules. They were fine as they were. Just don’t use VAR to draw lines. Don’t use VAR at all.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

We shouldn’t need to change the rules. They were fine as they were. Just don’t use VAR to draw lines. Don’t use VAR at all.

But the laws say that shouldn’t be a goal. Do you agree with that?

[RS]

I can believe they were allowed to use var against one of “Masters six”!

I’m jealous as fuck of Leicester like. Shining example of a well owned and well ran club. 

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

But the laws say that shouldn’t be a goal. Do you agree with that?

Only because the laws have been fannied around with due to VAR.

The previous rule we used to go by was you’re offside if a part of your body you can play the ball with is offside, which usually didn’t include the full arm. I can’t recall ever seeing someone offside due to their shoulder pre-VAR.

All of this nonsense around shirt sleeves is due to VAR.

[Guest]

The law hasn’t changed for VAR, though (unless I’ve missed something). It’s just that VAR is more likely to pick up on these now rather than the naked eye.

[Fantail Breeze]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

The law hasn’t changed for VAR, though (unless I’ve missed something). It’s just that VAR is more likely to pick up on these now rather than the naked eye.

Can you ever remember discussing where someone’s shirt sleeve is on the arm to ascertain if they’re offside? Or any example of someone’s shoulder being on or offside?

The guidance around the rules to referees has changed, the shirt sleeve example being one of them. Was it earlier this year they changed the guidance again due to Man City’s disallowed goal (Silva)?

How are we changing guidance halfway through a season ffs.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Fantail Breeze

[Pata]

25 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

The camera is also not in line with the players and at an angle, which will distort the reality.

Come on now, this is just stupid.

[The Prophet]

It's obvious by the eighteen yard line he's off.

[Fantail Breeze]

5 minutes ago, Pata said:

Come on now, this is just stupid.

Please explain how it is?

[Pata]

2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Please explain how it is?

We were in moon 50 years ago, VAR isn't drawing the lines manually and the camera angle doesn't matter.

[Yorkie]

The camera is probably suitably placed to determine where the lines go, but is it in the right place/does it have a frame rate quick enough to determine whether or not the ball has been played yet? Is the call made from when the passer makes contact with the ball or the nano-second afterwards when it leaves his boot? What has changed in that time at the other end, ie is Chilwell's shoulder/sleeve in a different position? 

IMO, the fact we're so much as asking questions like the above, or having debates about sleeves and advantage and body parts, only proves that the rule is now being overzealously applied, thanks to the ridiculously high standards of VAR. Standards that are measured with potentially unreliable devices. 

Can't help but feel that any team being denied that goal yesterday should rightfully be fuming, and it's a shame that the daftness of it - and the opportunity to really expose VAR again for its ills, given the significance of the occasion - was missed due to the distraction of Leicester's brilliant win. I dunno if it's just because of my generally poisoned outlook towards football now, but if that was us lifting the trophy, I might feel that the shine had been taken off due to the opponent wrongfully having had a goal chalked off. Aye mistakes happen and normally you take them when they go your way - no fuss, but they're a lot harder to put to one side when it's via such an imposition, rather a lino missing half a beat and no one else noticing until the second or third replay, like back in the good old days. 

[Ben]

The "stupid" thing why VAR can't possibly be that accurate is judging the exact time the ball leaves the players foot.

 

#shit, new page and worse  post wanker than the previous one seconds earlier#

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Ben

[Guest]

Is ‘playing the ball’ when it leaves his foot or when it first connects?

[Ben]

I'm sure somebody on here said the ball moving at full pelt moves at 140mm per frame 

[Nobody]

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

To think Vardy could have pissed it all away after Leicester’s title win by going to Arsenal as well. Would have probably been at a lesser Premier League club or the Championship if he’d left. Love that he’s stayed there.

Fucking love Vardy like, absolutely incredible player and some mentality to achieve what he has. 

[Guest HTT II]

Delighted for Leicester, a proper top 6 club. Chelsea can go and fuck themselves, I hope they get smashed against City in the CL as well.

[Guest]

I hope they cling on to top 4 now.

[Guest HTT II]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

I hope they cling on to top 4 now.

Aye definitely, same here. 

[Fantail Breeze]

49 minutes ago, Pata said:

We were in moon 50 years ago, VAR isn't drawing the lines manually and the camera angle doesn't matter.

VAR uses five cameras for offsides, it’s impossible to get a definitive perfect angle to conclusively make a decision unless the camera (which is used to draw the lines) is exactly in line. They’re drawing the lines using the best possible can really angle, not the exact one.

I’ll go back to the original point, VAR is trying to judge things exact, when it’s impossible to do so due to a variety of reasons (including not getting the exact moment the ball is played and camera angle).