Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Man U will struggle to finish top 3 next season with OGS as manager. A better manager and they'd have a real chance of the title. That's my opinion. They'll easily get top 4 imo and if they get 2-3 top players I think top 3 as well and maybe even challenge for the title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Are they? I don’t think they have any chance of getting anywhere near the title under OGS. They haven’t so far. They also finished on 81 points in 2nd place under Mourinho, better than OGS’s 74 this season. Aye but City finished 100 points that season, Man-U were never ever in it At the turn of this year Man-U were in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Results aside, is there any evidence at all to suggest OGS is a top tier coach though? I don't think he is a good coach however he seems to have something about him when it comes to man-management Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Geordie Ahmed said: They'll easily get top 4 imo and if they get 2-3 top players I think top 3 as well and maybe even challenge for the title Top 4 should be par for that squad regardless of manager, though. I don't think they'll get a season like last year where Chelsea & Liverpool are as bad as they were. They'll likely get 2-3 top level players this summer, they need a top tier manager to match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Kaizero said: Again, for the record, I don't particularly like OGS. He's an ex-Molde manager and ex-Man Utd player above all else. I just get annoyed to fuck at idiotic views that are based on pettiness and not reality, would be the same for any club/manager. Seems a bit pathetic to call them ‘idiotic views’. They’re also opinions built on facts and evidence, such as the poor records he’s smashed and lack of winning, rather than ‘pettiness’ and ‘not reality’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: “Remarkably well” Howay man. Your Norwegian allegiances are making you say some silly things. As I’ve said multiple times, if Man Utd fans are happy with finishing 2nd - 4th every season, never winning a trophy but having good ‘spirit’. Good on them. Just seems bizarre they don’t want to be competitive. For me it’s a great result keeping OGS, Man Utd remaining impotent would be delicious. You don't understand what they want, that is the point I'm making. They were just in an EL final, for that matter, even if they didn't win. They wanted to have their club returned to them and have it be ran like it used to under Sir Alex, and not have a major distance between themselves and their club. They don't want a massive manager personality taking center stage or galactico signings. Over the two and a half seasons he's been there, he's totally revamped player and club culture and the fans are responding to that - buying him time to get the first trophy. It's almost like they were prepared to take some time off to rebuild so they can have a stronger base to compete over multiple years, which they now have. Now only time will tell if OGS is the right man to deliver on that base he's built or if they need someone else to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Top 4 should be par for that squad regardless of manager, though. I don't think they'll get a season like last year where Chelsea & Liverpool are as bad as they were. They'll likely get 2-3 top level players this summer, they need a top tier manager to match. He has to be given some credit for that squad though, he got rid of some deadwood and has slowly built it up and got players like Shaw performing at a level he's never done at Man-U Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Aye but City finished 100 points that season, Man-U were never ever in it At the turn of this year Man-U were in it Man City were 8th at the turn of the year, the whole top 10 were in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: Seems a bit pathetic to call them ‘idiotic views’. They’re also opinions built on facts and evidence, such as the poor records he’s smashed and lack of winning, rather than ‘pettiness’ and ‘not reality’. Nope, the facts and evidence point the other way. Yes, there's been runs without wins, but on the grand scale those runs have not done much to his actual numbers. If you took the winning runs and losing runs and spread them normally across a season, neither one would be a talking point. The end all is that OGS is perceived poorly because he came straight to Man Utd from a "lesser" side and hadn't earned his stripes in the PFM merry-go-round and has thoughts above his station, we can't have that, get him out. Let's stick Pochettino in there, who has less honors on his resume just because he's managed in the PL before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Top 4 should be par for that squad regardless of manager, though. I don't think they'll get a season like last year where Chelsea & Liverpool are as bad as they were. They'll likely get 2-3 top level players this summer, they need a top tier manager to match. Give me some good reasons for why OGS doesn't qualify for a possible top tier manager, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: "Results aside" Anyway, just go by what players are saying about him as a man-manager. Haaland for instance is on record saying that if he had to choose between different sides in England to play for, he'd choose the one managed by OGS. Norway is a shit league so I know most people don't care, but what he did there would be like someone going to Hearts or Aberdeen and ending the Celtic domination. Well yeah, the results driven narrative in this country means Klopp, for example, wouldn't have been given a sniff at a top four club. Dortmund recognised his coaching ability in spite of his results. I saw a lot of OGS's spell at Cardiff and while they were somewhat doomed, there was nothing to suggest he would turn it around at any stage. Again at Man United there has been nothing to suggest he's got the ability to improve a player or that his in-game management is any good. Bruno looks to be crutch he's going to overly rely on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Nope, the facts and evidence point the other way. Yes, there's been runs without wins, but on the grand scale those runs have not done much to his actual numbers. If you took the winning runs and losing runs and spread them normally across a season, neither one would be a talking point. The end all is that OGS is perceived poorly because he came straight to Man Utd from a "lesser" side and hadn't earned his stripes in the PFM merry-go-round and has thoughts above his station, we can't have that, get him out. Let's stick Pochettino in there, who has less honors on his resume just because he's managed in the PL before. Man Utd could recruit from League Two for all I care. If after 2.5 seasons they’ve got nothing to show for it other than “spirit” and culture. I think people would be right to ask questions. Some quick appointments work (Guardiola, Gerrard) and some don’t (Lampard, OGS). Man Utd aren’t the first to make an appointment like this and won’t be the last. We’ll see if he ever delivers this success you claim he’s building. Time will tell. Edited June 2, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, The Prophet said: Well yeah, the results driven narrative in this country means Klopp, for example, wouldn't have been given a sniff at a top four club. Dortmund recognised his coaching ability in spite of his results. I saw a lot of OGS's spell at Cardiff and while they were somewhat doomed, there was nothing to suggest he would turn it around at any stage. Again at Man United there has been nothing to suggest he's got the ability to improve a player or that his in-game management is any good. Bruno looks to be crutch he's going to overly rely on. Shaw, Bissaka, Rashford, Martial, Fred and McTominay off the top of my head all improved vastly under OGS. There's more as well but I can't recall names. The team looks cohesive, for one, compared to previous Man Utd versions under other managers post-Sir Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Ridiculous red card decision for Wales. It’s a friendly FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think anyone is saying that. Man Utd could recruit from League Two for all I care. If after 2.5 seasons they’ve got nothing to show for it other than “spirit” and culture. I think people would be right to ask questions. Some quick appointments work (Guardiola, Gerrard) and some don’t (Lampard, OGS). Man Utd aren’t the first to make an appointment like this and won’t be the last. We’ll see if he ever delivers this success you claim he’s building. Time will tell. Third best record in Man Utd managerial history, five semi-finals and one final since he took over. Since Sir Alex retired, Man Utd have only finished in the top 3 three times, with OGS leading the team in two of them. Yes, no actual trophies, but the results under OGS are all pointing in the correct direction. Edited June 2, 2021 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Shaw, Bissaka, Rashford, Martial, Fred and McTominay off the top of my head all improved vastly under OGS. There's more as well but I can't recall names. The team looks cohesive, for one, compared to previous Man Utd versions under other managers post-Sir Alex. Shaw is fair enough. He's been very good this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Kaizero said: Third best record in Man Utd managerial history, five semi-finals and one final since he took over. Since Sir Alex retired, Man Utd have only finished in the top 3 three times, with OGS leading the team in two of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: As mentioned in the comments, some of those aren't even correct. And also, they're of no consequence. The results at the end of a season are what matters. Positive win records mean nothing either if they are off-set by tons of losses otherwise. Hence why my post referenced actual results, not records. Edited June 2, 2021 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: As mentioned in the comments, some of those aren't even correct. And also, they're of no consequence. The results at the end of a season are what matters. Positive win records mean nothing either if they are off-set by tons of losses otherwise. Hence why my post referenced actual results, not records. Exactly - results matter. And the only results OGS has achieved is two top four finishes. Getting to a Europa League final by beating some very poor sides, isn’t particularly worthwhile if you make incredibly poor decisions in the final (against the 7th best team in Spain). Who remembers great sides by how many semi finals they reach ffs? Edited June 2, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Exactly - results matter. And the only results OGS has achieved is two top four finishes. Getting to a Europa League final by beating some very poor sides, isn’t particularly worthwhile if you make incredibly poor decisions in the final (against the 7th best team in Spain). As mentioned in my post, Man Utd has finished top 3 only three times since Sir Alex retired - two of those are the full seasons under OGS. He has the third best record of any Man Utd manager through history. Those are the irrefutable facts of the situation. I would not throw the die and change manager if I was Man Utd looking at those numbers. Van Gaal didn't get Man Utd into the top three. People are forgetting just how shit Man Utd were after Sir Alex. Edited June 2, 2021 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Kaizero said: As mentioned in my post, Man Utd has finished top 3 only three times since Sir Alex retired - two of those are the full seasons under OGS. He has the third best record of any Man Utd manager through history. Those are the irrefutable facts of the situation. I would not throw the die and change manager if I was Man Utd looking at those numbers. Van Gaal didn't get Man Utd into the top three. People are forgetting just how shit Man Utd were after Sir Alex. We’ll not agree - so we’ll leave it there, as it’ll probably become tedious for everyone else However, I’ve enjoyed our exchange and welcome healthy debate - no need to get heated though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 This England game has been absolutely gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 You also need to factor in he has the second most expensive squad in the league at his disposal and has won less trophies than both previous managers. OGS has done better than a lot, including myself expected. I just think there's been little to suggest he can turn them into a side that consistently challenges for major honours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: We’ll not agree - so we’ll leave it there, as it’ll probably become tedious for everyone else However, I’ve enjoyed our exchange and welcome healthy debate - no need to get heated though. It's been great, my vitriol was not aimed at you per se, more that I've been in this discussion before and things generally tend to devolve at the stage I bring in the third best in their managerial history stats and so on, so I reacted preemptively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: You also need to factor in he has the second most expensive squad in the league at his disposal and has won less trophies than both previous managers. OGS has done better than a lot, including myself expected. I just think there's been little to suggest he can turn them into a side that consistently challenges for major honours. The other clubs in the top six will be hoping they stick with him. No bigger judgement of his ability than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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