Elliot Anderson (now playing for Nottingham Forest)

[timeEd32]

On 23/05/2023 at 04:15, Rich said:

Randomly ended up chatting with the club doctor and head physio well into the early hours last night, they said there's no way he should've been playing but he was insistent.

 

What a lad.

 

Is the injury from that tackle in the Brighton game?

[The Butcher]

Really like him. Hope goes out on loan for 6-12 months, but there's a PL player in there.

 

In an ideal World he would've spent this season out on loan, but it is what it is.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by The Butcher

[Mazzy]

He's played in 22 matches for us this season. Couldn't quite believe that when I first saw it. Obviously some of those were only for a few minutes but still a large number of games.

 

No way is he going out on loan next season.

[Sufi]

36 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

He's played in 22 matches for us this season. Couldn't quite believe that when I first saw it. Obviously some of those were only for a few minutes but still a large number of games.

 

No way is he going out on loan next season.

Thats surprising. 22?! 

Why not a loan with an option to recall him? I think it would do wonders for his development. I'd prefer that over him hugging the end of the bench for 90% of the season. Cant imagine he gets anywhere close to 22 matches next season with the reinforcements we are due to sign. 

[Conjo]

Played 618 minutes in all competitions, which is just under 7 games in total. Probably the only disappointment this season for me that he wasn't given more opportunities.

[SteV]

I think he would have played more but first half of the season seemed a bit of a write off due to him having a string of small injuries that kept knocking him back. 
 

Haven’t got the stats to hand but felt like the majority of his minutes came after the WC break once he stayed fit for a prolonged period.

[Newcastle Fan]

I think this season benefited him more than any loan move would,  and we will see a better version of him after this summer.

[NWMag]

He was also unlucky at times such as the liverpool game he started and would have played most if not all of the match, but popes red card meant he came off after 20ish minutes 

[Smal]

again he didn’t look out of place at all and I thought he managed to play the role a bit more like Howe would want him to this time. Got the assist and it was very Willock-esque play by overlapping the winger.

[The College Dropout]

6 hours ago, Mazzy said:

He's played in 22 matches for us this season. Couldn't quite believe that when I first saw it. Obviously some of those were only for a few minutes but still a large number of games.

 

No way is he going out on loan next season.

For a total of 7 full 90 minutes. That's doing next to nothing for his development.

 

Garnacho is 2 years younger and got twice the game time.

 

Anderson needs serious game time to develop. He needs to go out on loan. I think the season has stalled his development. By reports - we are looking to sign 2 CMs so we'll be replacing his role in the squad anyway, so it's not like he's used the season to cement himself in the squad/role. He started the season 6th choice CM and maybe 3rd choice LW. We expect next season he'll be 7th choice CM.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by The College Dropout

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

For a total of 7 full 90 minutes. That's doing next to nothing for his development.

 

Garnacho is 2 years younger and got twice the game time.

 

Anderson needs serious game time to develop. He needs to go out on loan.

Absolutely no chance he goes out on loan.

 

Garnacho got twice the game time because Man Utd had a lot more games.

 

We should hopefully have a lot more games next season, and assuming he can stay fit, he’ll get a lot more game time.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, SteV said:

Absolutely no chance he goes out on loan.

 

Garnacho got twice the game time because Man Utd had a lot more games.

 

We should hopefully have a lot more games next season, and assuming he can stay fit, he’ll get a lot more game time.

If we sign 2 CM's - would you want him to stay as 7th choice CM? Is that good for his development?

 

Garnacho is simply higher in the pecking order at Man U than Anderson is here. Garnacho got significantly more game time than Anderson in the PL despite missing a number of games through injury. And Anderon is due to drop even further in the pecking order. Anderson is set to play even less PL minutes next season.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, Smal said:

again he didn’t look out of place at all and I thought he managed to play the role a bit more like Howe would want him to this time. Got the assist and it was very Willock-esque play by overlapping the winger.

 

He's done ok, definitely showed he can be given a role and will do a more than passing job as a first team squad player. But it's also a big step up at this level, and he's not found it as easy to dominate, which is fine at this stage of his career.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

For a total of 7 full 90 minutes. That's doing next to nothing for his development.

 

Garnacho is 2 years younger and got twice the game time.

 

Anderson needs serious game time to develop. He needs to go out on loan. I think the season has stalled his development. By reports - we are looking to sign 2 CMs so we'll be replacing his role in the squad anyway, so it's not like he's used the season to cement himself in the squad/role. He started the season 6th choice CM and maybe 3rd choice LW. We expect next season he'll be 7th choice CM.

 

 

 

 

If it was just 7x90 minutes I'd agree. 

 

He's been in around the team all season though, on the bench, training under Howe, getting games here and there, going on in games where we need a goal, games where we're ahead and holding on. That for me is more development than a season in the Championship. 

[SteV]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

If we sign 2 CM's - would you want him to stay as 7th choice CM? Is that good for his development?

 

Garnacho is simply higher in the pecking order at Man U than Anderson is here. Garnacho got significantly more game time than Anderson in the PL despite missing a number of games through injury. And Anderon is due to drop even further in the pecking order. Anderson is set to play even less PL minutes next season.

It doesn’t work like that though. Over the course of a season where we expect to play a lot more games, the likes of Joelinton and Bruno won’t be playing every single minute that they’re available, which has near enough been the case this season.

 

Not to mention the fact that his best/most impactful performance this season (Forest away) was in a more advanced position, so he could clearly end up getting minutes in that role too.

[The College Dropout]

24 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

If it was just 7x90 minutes I'd agree. 

 

He's been in around the team all season though, on the bench, training under Howe, getting games here and there, going on in games where we need a goal, games where we're ahead and holding on. That for me is more development than a season in the Championship. 

No it's not. IMO.

 

If we sign 2x CM he'll be loaned out anyway.

 

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

No it's not. IMO.

 

If we sign 2x CM he'll be loaned out anyway.

 

 

 

Say he went to Burnley or Sheff Utd last summer, played 40, got 20 goals and assists combined.

 

He'd still come back to Newcastle this summer at square one as he'd have to get the sort of match fitness to play in an Eddie Howe pressing team, learn how to play that system, etc. 

 

Him being here all year he's good to go when called upon. He's gained a shitload of matchday experience too. 

[timeEd32]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

No it's not. IMO.

 

If we sign 2x CM he'll be loaned out anyway.

 

 

There are pros and cons to each obviously but one point that should not be overlooked is the training we put our players through. See Gordon’s interview for the latest evidence of the demands. Anderson will clearly have benefitted from that.  
 

We need to find some clubs where players will go out on loan and not come back in worse shape than the rest of the squad.

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Say he went to Burnley or Sheff Utd last summer, played 40, got 20 goals and assists combined.

 

He'd still come back to Newcastle this summer at square one as he'd have to get the sort of match fitness to play in an Eddie Howe pressing team, learn how to play that system, etc. 

 

Him being here all year he's good to go when called upon. He's gained a shitload of matchday experience too. 

40 games, 20 G/A at age 20, is Mason Mount numbers.

 

That would suggest he's ready for regular Premier League football and would come in as one of the 2 CMs we seem to need. He would be a proper member of the first-team. Now, he's on the fringes and likely to be even more on the fringes next season if we recruit the numbers we expect.

 

It also proves he's likely to be a proper player and is at least a top-end Championship player ATM and likely a decent PL player in the future at a minimum.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by The College Dropout

[timeEd32]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

40 games, 20 G/A at age 20, is Mason Mount numbers.

 

That would suggest he's ready for regular Premier League football and would come in as one of the 2 CMs we seem to need. He would be a proper member of the first-team. Now, he's on the fringes and likely to be even more on the fringes next season if we recruit the numbers we expect.

 

 

 

But that's you only judging him on what we've seen. The coaching staff sees him every day. You're assuming we'll bring in two CMs, but maybe we only get one because they think he (or, less likely, Miley) is ready. Or maybe the second one is another youngster and we let those three fight for a role.

[The College Dropout]

16 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

But that's you only judging him on what we've seen. The coaching staff sees him every day. You're assuming we'll bring in two CMs, but maybe we only get one because they think he (or, less likely, Miley) is ready. Or maybe the second one is another youngster and we let those three fight for a role.

If they thought he was ready for proper first-team football...they would've given him more first-team football this season. He was a distant last option in midfield and often in attack. 

 

It's like suggesting Targett will play a lot next season. No.. he's not that fancied and is likely to be upgraded and sold.

 

This is an assumption based on the links in the media

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by The College Dropout

[timeEd32]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

If they thought he was ready for proper first-team football...they would've given him more first-team football this season. He was a distant last option in midfield and often in attack. 

 

It's like suggesting Targett will play a lot next season. No.. he's not that fancied and is likely to be upgraded and sold.

 

We played the same midfield three almost every week. If one of them was unavailable the first change was moving Joelinton to midfield. Seems harsh to judge him based on the fact he didn't break into the first XI when we have a manager who doesn't make a habit of unforced rotation.

 

This is also why it's hindsight to say he should have been on loan because of the minutes he got. We were very fortunate to get through most of the season playing some combination of the same 4 players almost every week. Anderson could have easily been needed more than he was.

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

We played the same midfield three almost every week. If one of them was unavailable the first change was moving Joelinton to midfield. Seems harsh to judge him based on the fact he didn't break into the first XI when we have a manager who doesn't make a habit of unforced rotation.

 

This is also why it's hindsight to say he should have been on loan because of the minutes he got. We were very fortunate to get through most of the season playing some combination of the same 4 players almost every week. Anderson could have easily been needed more than he was.

Anderson simply was not a serious option to Howe. ASM had at least 7 matches where he didn't start but got 10+ minutes off the bench. Anderson only got 10+ minutes off the bench 5 times.. The vast majority of his minutes were less than 10 minutes. He's not going to develop a bunch doing that.

 

It's not hindsight. Many of us said all season long he needed to go on loan for his development. We only kept him because we refused to sign stop gaps and ended up gambling on light midfield options.

[timeEd32]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Anderson simply was not a serious option to Howe. ASM had at least 7 matches where he didn't start but got 10+ minutes off the bench. Anderson only got 10+ minutes off the bench 5 times.. The vast majority of his minutes were less than 10 minutes. He's not going to develop a bunch doing that.

 

It's not hindsight. Many of us said all season long he needed to go on loan for his development. We only kept him because we refused to sign stop gaps and ended up gambling on light midfield options.

 

No, I know many wanted him to go on loan. I think I tended to agree. But I don't think it's fair now to point to his minutes and say "see.." As you say, we couldn't just send him out on loan and do nothing. We would have needed to bring someone in for cover (or alternatively it would have prevented us from selling Shelvey).

 

I agree if we do bring in two first team quality CMs then he should go on loan. I'm not convinced that's going to happen though - I think it's very likely to just be one and then maybe a second who's a youngster.

[Yorkie]

 

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