RodneyCisse Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Looks like he lost his hunger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Hasn't shown near enough for his minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He's had limited game time and hasn't had a really good game (Birmingham aside) so naturally some people have decided he's been terrible and that he's finished. I don't think people have just 'decided he's been terrible' without merit. We have observed him putting in terrible performances with the opportunities he's been afforded - so the comments are warranted in questioning his role in the team. Longstaff's role is understandably under question too and he's certainly been no worse than Willock, probably better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 absolutely no self belief or confidence. decision making is awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He's had limited game time Has had a fair chunk of games now. Today was probably his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keggy_Keagal Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 He's had really bad injuries for a player with his style of play (quick runs when the side are on transition with or without the ball) bad hamstrings and in particular his achilles injuries mean he's not the same player. Also his best performances under Howe came when he was used in a certain way in conjunction with Joelinton and because we've changed the personnel we've tweaked how we play a little that's unlikely to happen much in future. I was a big advocate of giving him a try on the right hand side when Murphy couldn't get going at the start of the season but he's not going to displace him or Barnes there now. Wanted it to happen for the lad but he needs to start producing when given opportunities which hopefully he will be with Gordon's suspension. Last orders at the last chance saloon for little Joe or he's on the shift him in the summer list as far as i'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 10 minutes ago, huss9 said: what's happened to this kid? He always had poor end product but his energy, work rate and ball carrying suggested if he could add it to his game he would be a huge asset. But he hasn’t and I guess he can’t - if anyone could’ve improved him it would’ve been EH but there has been no improvement. I don’t think he’s any worse than he was before, he’s probably just the same but because we’ve seen it for years now, it’s more frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leemond Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 A season defining miss from him today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 the only one Eddie's been unable to work his magic on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said: I don't think people have just 'decided he's been terrible' without merit. We have observed him putting in terrible performances with the opportunities he's been afforded - so the comments are warranted in questioning his role in the team. Longstaff's role is understandably under question too and he's certainly been no worse than Willock, probably better. Subjectively terrible yes. I'd say those opinions are way over the top though, as is so often the case due to the short-termist outlook on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Leemond said: A season defining miss from him today Career defining even. I doubt he'll miss a chance that easy again. I feel for the lad and he's had his moments for us but he looks shot of all confidence now. We won't get any decent money for him though so here he'll stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, KennyUtd said: Career defining even. I doubt he'll miss a chance that easy again. I feel for the lad and he's had his moments for us but he looks shot of all confidence now. We won't get any decent money for him though so here he'll stay. You think his career is going to be defined by that miss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Subjectively terrible yes. I'd say those opinions are way over the top though, as is so often the case due to the short-termist outlook on here. Terrible is a word we use to describe something that's particularly bad. It appears that most people watching Newcastle, with the best will for Willock to improve have concluded that he's been particularly bad in enough occasions, over a long enough period of time to draw a conclusion. I'm not sure how it's 'short-termist'. Other than Birmingham he's barely contributed anything significantly positive to our play and has more often than not been a hindrance. I think it's fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Fak said: You think his career is going to be defined by that miss? No, probably not. It's still a bit raw and I'm lashing out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, KennyUtd said: No, probably not. It's still a bit raw and I'm lashing out. We’re only human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I can’t find it but someone else may have seen it, where players are being interviewed about who’d be most likely to get a fine for being late as an example, I’m sure little Joe was mentioned a few times. Could it be that he’s not putting in the work off the field? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 47 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Has had a fair chunk of games now. Today was probably his best. Since his most recent injury he's started 4 matches. Birmingham away, Man City away, Forest home, Liverpool away. A tough set of matches, but 2 goals vs Birmingham, an assist vs Forest, and by no means someone to single out for blame vs Man City and Liverpool. Find it mad how quickly folk will turn on our players like. If they don't immediately perform after coming back from injury they're on the chopping block with some Edited March 2 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said: Terrible is a word we use to describe something that's particularly bad. It appears that most people watching Newcastle, with the best will for Willock to improve have concluded that he's been particularly bad in enough occasions, over a long enough period of time to draw a conclusion. I'm not sure how it's 'short-termist'. Other than Birmingham he's barely contributed anything significantly positive to our play and has more often than not been a hindrance. I think it's fair. I know you're trying to apply logic and reason here, but we're talking about an online fanbase that I'm criticising in part for its lack of either. It's short-termist to write off a player not being at their best despite only having started a few times, plenty of other players looking worse, and the abundance of pie still being wiped from faces from previous occasions of hastily writing players off. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Since his most recent injury he's started 4 matches. Birmingham away, Man City away, Forest home, Liverpool away. A tough set of matches, buf 2 goals vs Birmingham, an assist vs Forest, and by no means someone to single out for blame vs Man City and Liverpool. Find it mad how quickly folk will turn on our players like. If they don't immediately perform after coming back from injury they're on the chopping block with some He also had 30/20 mins in several other games as a sub. For me its his body language wich is the most frustrating. Today he showed something, but a part from the Birmingham game he has done himself few favours. He has looked uninterested, lazy, no passion. He is supposed to be a player fighting for a place in the midfield. I have not seen a Willock fighting for a place until today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 13 minutes ago, nufc123 said: He also had 30/20 mins in several other games as a sub. For me its his body language wich is the most frustrating. Today he showed something, but a part from the Birmingham game he has done himself few favours. He has looked uninterested, lazy, no passion. He is supposed to be a player fighting for a place in the midfield. I have not seen a Willock fighting for a place until today. This is it for me as well. I remember in our CL qualifying season his work rate was insane. Even without the goals he was all over the pitch harrying the opposition and attacking them from the left. We have seen glimpses of the latter, even today, but he doesn't look like he's busting a gut any more. He plays like it's a job and he's not particularly enjoying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 There’s still talent there, so I’d give the lad time to bed back into the squad. But it can’t go on indefinitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Big fan of Willock. But his cameo prevented any chance he had of starting on Sunday IMO. Thought he was pap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Big fan of Willock. But his cameo prevented any chance he had of starting on Sunday IMO. Thought he was pap. We will be moving him on this summer imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, r0cafella said: We will be moving him on this summer imo. Starting to agree. I love the bloke and his qualities suit this team, for sure. But he hasn't been anywhere near his best for a while now and I also think/hope we might be trying to progress and evolve tactically. So that we need a bit more than just runners in the side. If we are looking for another midfielder or two. Then you'd imagine Longstaff and/or Willock will be on their way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 He was on for 15 minutes when we were defending a 1 nil lead. I swear to god man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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