et tu brute Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, madras said: And I have to say as well, it works the other way, if they boot him then it's because they think it's for the benfit of the club. Personally I think it's much of a muchness whether he's there or not, his squad (within reason) his coaching team (again) and I dont think much would change regardless. Big thing with me is that having Bruce there creates a whole different atmosphere on Sunday. Instead of having the whole crowd behind the team, it’s going to be a case of anti Bruce chants throughout. He needs to go now, Jones in for Sunday and hopefully a new man in next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Big thing with me is that having Bruce there creates a whole different atmosphere on Sunday. Instead of having the whole crowd behind the team, it’s going to be a case of anti Bruce chants throughout. He needs to go now, Jones in for Sunday and hopefully a new man in next week. Why would they do that ? The new owners (if he's there) want him there and those fans there should do whatever to support the club. Should they boo players Bruce brought in who they don't think are good enough ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 And remember all the coaching staff are Bruce/Ashley men as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, madras said: Why would they do that ? The new owners (if he's there) want him there and those fans there should do whatever to support the club. Should they boo players Bruce brought in who they don't think are good enough ? Of course they will be booing Bruce and have anti Bruce songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: Of course they will be booing Bruce and have anti Bruce songs. Why ? he's the new owners current manager. Should they boo the players as well ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Ridiculous argument. He should be gone. We need to start the new era with a clean break from the shite that’s gone before. We all need to be pulling in the same direction to build momentum - Club, manager, fans. With Bruce there it won’t happen as he’ll rightly be getting abuse and it’ll completely tarnish the new start. Get him gone and let Jones and some of the academy staff take over until a new manager is found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Completely pointless booing Bruce or acknowledging him at all. Why not focus on creating a positive atmosphere for the players? Bruce is leaving sooner or later. I don’t think Staveley and co, need the fans to send them any messages. We’ve come to an end of fourteen years of Ashley, wor flags are back, we’re finally United, Sunday should be a celebration of that, rather than a day to berate a poor manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LV said: Ridiculous argument. He should be gone. We need to start the new era with a clean break from the shite that’s gone before. We all need to be pulling in the same direction to build momentum - Club, manager, fans. With Bruce there it won’t happen as he’ll rightly be getting abuse and it’ll completely tarnish the new start. Get him gone and let Jones and some of the academy staff take over until a new manager is found. Aren't Jones and the players just as much part of the old regime ? Let the new owners plot their course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, Rafalove said: Completely pointless booing Bruce or acknowledging him at all. Why not focus on creating a positive atmosphere for the players? Bruce is leaving sooner or later. I don’t think Staveley and co, need the fans to send them any messages. We’ve come to an end of fourteen years of Ashley, wor flags are back, we’re finally United, Sunday should be a celebration of that, rather than a day to berate a poor manager. Totally. Imagine the message we send out to the world, we get what we want but still boo while Staveley will eventually thank him for staying on and helping through our transition.# If he's still here by Sunday natch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, madras said: Why ? he's the new owners current manager. Should they boo the players as well ? Hopefully we won’t find out. As for your question why?, just see this thread, other forums and social media, it’s not hard to work out why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 days off since the weekend before such an important game. no surprise we;re so unfit and there's awalys niggles/injuries throughout the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Hopefully we won’t find out. As for your question why?, just see this thread, other forums and social media, it’s not hard to work out why. Well for the life of me, I can’t figure out why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Hopefully we won’t find out. As for your question why?, just see this thread, other forums and social media, it’s not hard to work out why. So if Bruce goes we have to boo the players and Jones as they are from the previous regime ? It's got so snidey and petty, the abuse laid on to him now is embarrassing, he's gone, he knows it, they know it, my dogs know it....what benefit is there in kicking off on Sunday about it ? It's actively trying to hinder us if it happens. Edited October 13, 2021 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Well that’s quite the leap to go from my use of the word ‘tarnished’ to ‘its game over for the new owners’ Absolutely not what I said. And of course the players and Jones shouldn’t be booed Madras. They weren’t the problem, Bruce was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, LV said: Well that’s quite the leap to go from my use of the word ‘tarnished’ to ‘its game over for the new owners’ Absolutely not what I said. And of course the players and Jones shouldn’t be booed Madras. They weren’t the problem, Bruce was. Ashley was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, madras said: Ashley was. Ashley. And Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, LV said: Ashley. And Bruce. and therefore Jones and the players. Boo the fecking lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 What will booing Bruce achieve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, madras said: and therefore Jones and the players. Boo the fecking lot. Let’s see on Sunday what happens if he is still here then. Hopefully he isn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Let’s see on Sunday what happens if he is still here then. Hopefully he isn’t. I don't care if he's there or not, I wont boo him if he is though.....what does that achieve for us now ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I'd not boo Bruce, but nor would I venerate or celebrate his milestone or anything about him. He should be ignored. If they ask for a round of applause for his 1000 games over the tannoy, it should not be greeted with applause or with booing, but with deafening silence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chris_R said: I'd not boo Bruce, but nor would I venerate or celebrate his milestone or anything about him. He should be ignored. If they ask for a round of applause for his 1000 games over the tannoy, it should not be greeted with applause or with booing, but with deafening silence. That’s fine but if there’s deafening silence at any point on Sunday that will be disappointing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I should read that comment above and just assume Hakka is taking the absolute piss out of someone there but I’ve seen some absolute Karenesque comments from folk over the last few days in relation to this. We've been absolutely mentally abused into thinking the way Mike Ashley carried on running this club was normal and we’re now hopping on any moment of slight indecision we think we see. Our new owners are not stupid people, they can’t afford to act like Mike Ashley, they can’t just sack Steve “I’ve got loads of media chums” Bruce without some amount negative reaction, unless they do it properly and at least appear to have given him some consideration while they conduct a more thorough review of things. I believe them when they said this had happened so quickly that they were caught off guard. We have to take PIF into consideration, Yasir Al-Rumayyan won’t be doing this as a hands on day job so he’ll be presently assembling a day to day PIF team that’s based here, but this might be like 15/20 mins of each day while this happens, this is how busy this man is. It’s probably easier getting world leaders on the phone. Once that happens and whoever this day to day person is, they’ll be authorising the money the club spends. Only then will we see rapid changes. How much input will AS and the Reuben’s have? Some probably, I’d imagine the latter will be here for the overall 2030 plan than just the club and for AS, I think having a share of something that people in high places will want to come to, she’ll be in a prime position to leverage PCP into making deals happen on these corporate match days. And for right now, yeah sure I’d prefer if he was gone before the weekend but no biggie, I’m not expecting us to win, we’ve been so poor. I almost prefer that Jones doesn’t have to take the brunt of that deflated enthusiasm if we end of losing by 2 or 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rafalove said: That’s fine but if there’s deafening silence at any point on Sunday that will be disappointing I mean I specifically said "if they ask for a round of applause for his 1000 games over the tannoy", I'm not suggesting we all sit on our hands for 90 minutes. But Bruce should be an irrelevance, he should be ignored and not part of anything we do - if he's there still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) Problem is re the atmosphere/buzz its not just Bruce's presence its his football - all this excitement, motivation, venting and then after 25minutes were on 29% possession. Its just going to be diminished by his presence by a quarter or whatever. Its little more than just a shame romantically but theres the matter of his risking squandering more points and digging the trench even deeper - not inconsiderable. The deeper s**t were in, the less likely we are to attract the best manager and players possible when the times comes. Mid-table in Jan and asking around versus bottom three in Jan and asking around. Edited October 14, 2021 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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