Cajun Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Even Pardew's big fans admit that we'd have gone down for certain without the signings... Yet still back him. Can't get my head round it. Not being backed in the summer, a load of injuries to key players and our captain/player of last season/best centre back wanting to go home for personal reasons. I'm not completely behind him and if we had a more progressive manager willing to sign I would be up for it but there are clearly a few "excuses" that can't really be argued against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 He clearly has enough excuses for a drop from 5th to 7th or 8th, yes. Nothing more than that. He wasn't backed enough but he's been massively backed now with very little improvement. He was also bought an expensive international who he rarely uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Howay Wullie, you could drop from 5th to 7th based on a missed chance or a couple of bad decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Not when the gap from us to Everton was previously about ten points Ian. Pretty obvious by this point that you think he has enough excuses to justify relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I meant in general the margins between a couple of league positions are quite narrow. BTW I'm not saying Pardew has been good... I would just give him next season to try again. Obviously I think relegation would be an absolute disaster, and everyone would take their share of the blame. I don't know why you bother with those stupid personal digs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Are there really any 'big fans' - or staunch supporters, however you want to phrase it - of Pardew left? There are those who would rather not sack (yet another) manager, which imo is fairly rational if undoubtedly contentious, but I can't say I've seen many in denial of what a poor performance he's had this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 There's still plenty who continue to pour scorn on any criticism whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? I don't really want to think about it TBH, if he was sacked in those circumstances I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't really complain that much if he was sacked now, except for the effect on morale and club stability. Hopefully it won't come to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? I don't really want to think about it TBH, if he was sacked in those circumstances I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't really complain that much if he was sacked now, except for the effect on morale and club stability. Hopefully it won't come to that. Stability is bollocks without the right manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? I don't really want to think about it TBH, if he was sacked in those circumstances I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't really complain that much if he was sacked now, except for the effect on morale and club stability. Hopefully it won't come to that. Stability is bollocks without the right manager. That's a fairly nonsense statement, unless you believe the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Club stability and morale? It would give the players a massive boost and probably keep us up. Look at Jonas' comments today man. Even he thinks we're negative as fuck and go out to get beat, that's from the bloke who's the main symptom. Genuine attacking players must be sick of their lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Only just realised Wigan have got a game in hand on us as well Is it against one of the Manchester clubs? sure I heard that actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 That's a fairly nonsense statement, unless you believe the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one. Stability is bollocks without the right manager, that doesn't mean that the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one as you put it but you should be able to see something in the right manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 City away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Villa could go level on points with us today as well. After the season they've had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I fancy them to beat Liverpool tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 City away They might give them a game and nick a result tough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? I don't really want to think about it TBH, if he was sacked in those circumstances I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't really complain that much if he was sacked now, except for the effect on morale and club stability. Hopefully it won't come to that. Stability is bollocks without the right manager. That's a fairly nonsense statement, unless you believe the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one. Stupid statement. You don't have stability unless the manager is delivering the right results Pardew isn't and hasn't this season. You only get stability with results and not the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 That's a fairly nonsense statement, unless you believe the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one. Stability is bollocks without the right manager, that doesn't mean that the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one as you put it but you should be able to see something in the right manager. You might be right, I honestly don't know. In general I think fans are absolutely terrible at spotting the right manager, especially of their own club. And also the momentum of success or the downward spiral of failure can have a massive influence on short-term success. Maybe as much influence as the actual ability of the manager. Anyway, I couldn't argue that Pardew is covering himself with glory at the moment, he clearly isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Aye I think Villa will beat Liverpool too. We're not one of the worst three sides but simply incredibly poor at picking up points relative to our players and performances. Other sides will pick up points here and there that we simply don't look capable of - example: almost every away game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Wullie/Mick, as people who are so adamant that Pardew should go - are you confident he would be replaced by someone who is a better fit for the club, baring in mind this board has already forced-out one brilliant/independent/forward-thinking manager? I know it's a defeatist attitude but it really does factor into my thinking when I say we should keep Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would you let him try and get us out of the Championship? I don't really want to think about it TBH, if he was sacked in those circumstances I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't really complain that much if he was sacked now, except for the effect on morale and club stability. Hopefully it won't come to that. Stability is bollocks without the right manager. That's a fairly nonsense statement, unless you believe the right manager will always be an unmitigated success from day one. Stupid statement. You don't have stability unless the manager is delivering the right results Pardew isn't and hasn't this season. You only get stability with results and not the manager. What? Stability is the continuity of the structure of the club, in this case the manager. Results in the short term are supposed to be irrelevant, that's the whole point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I don't think it would be difficult to replace Pardew with better because I don't think he's even Championship level long term. As soon as Adkins got the bullet, we should have shoved Pardew out the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 There are very few, if any, good realistic managers available that aren't already contracted to clubs either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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