TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, bobbydazzla said: For most of Ashley's reign of terror we were getting £0 for our most valuable non-footballing asset - sponsorship in the ground. Other clubs were signing deals on in-ground sponsorship worth billions of millions of quid and we were giving ours away for free. Where was the Premier League related parties transaction police when we were getting financially dryfucked in our Tony Cottee ? Our club shop’s income was diverted to Sports Direct. In 2007 - when Ashley bought the club - reported commercial revenue was £27.6m. In 2021 when he sold it was £20.8m. If commercials just grew with inflation they should have been £37.9m by 2021. But football commercials exploded in the 2010s for all PL clubs. The constant ‘they’ve grown commercials by X%’ patter just completely ignores the base they started from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 51 minutes ago, TRon said: The reality is PSR has fucked us. Now it could be that if there was no PSR, the Saudis might still not have spent gazillions to buy success. How would we even know? As far as I'm concerned they bought the club for primarily PR reasons to give themselves a global presence. Obviously a winning club gives them far more of that. All the stuff about why they have been slow on training grounds, new stadium etc is just speculative. There are probably very good reasons for all of them. And by the way, they aren't obliged to do any of them despite our fans entitled expectations to think they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 44 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: A lot of that is the solution to PSR, not a hindrance. They’ve done nowt because that’s how they operate - talk big and deliver small. Who's they? Staveley? And is the most successful season in 100 years delivering small? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 48 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Ashley shrank our commercial revenue from 2008, not even considering escalation. You could have put anyone in after Ashley and the same thing would’ve happened. That's just not true, though, is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Dr Venkman said: Who's they? Staveley? And is the most successful season in 100 years delivering small? It’s not the most successful season in 100 years, no idea what the basis is for that tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It’s not the most successful season in 100 years, no idea what the basis is for that tbh Alright then, 70 years. Same point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Dr Venkman said: That's just not true, though, is it? Yes, it is - they couldn’t have shrunk them any further. The man was openly removing entire revenue streams from commercials and sticking it into his other business. So perhaps if someone else ran it the same way, sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Dr Venkman said: Alright then, 70 years. Same point. The Fairs Cup trumps the League Cup. But we’re splitting hairs I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Yes, it is - they couldn’t have shrunk them any further. The man was openly removing entire revenue streams from commercials and sticking it into his other business. So perhaps if someone else ran it the same way, sure. It's not, it's speculation. It might have stayed the same. It might have gotten 5% better, 10% better, etc. It's not a truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: It's not, it's speculation. It might have stayed the same. It might have gotten 5% better, 10% better, etc. It's not a truth. Sure, that is fair enough. But I do think it’s incredibly unlikely that even the most half-arsed and incompetent of owners wouldn’t have increased it, provided they didn’t take it off the books. The club always had huge commercial potential - that’s down to the size of the supporter base, not a sovereign wealth fund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Even in Premier League football - being slow is a killer. We won’t get there with PIF unless they change how they operate the club. It's very unlikey that we will get there at all tbh, the rules have been put in place by existing superclubs across Europe to ensure they won't. Even entertaining such lofty ideals for a club outside the elite is only happening because of who owns us. I repeat: demanding any more is nothing more than misplaced entitlement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 If no psr to worry about I think we would have seen some big transfers each season similar to the Saudi league transfers. Now of course they might have tailed off after a few seasons like the Saudi league has as well. But I think the first couple of windows would have been like when chelsea got bought over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Sure, that is fair enough. But I do think it’s incredibly unlikely that even the most half-arsed and incompetent of owners wouldn’t have increased it, provided they didn’t take it off the books. The club always had huge commercial potential - that’s down to the size of the supporter base, not a sovereign wealth fund Mad levels of negativity really. Sure some owners may have done as well, some might have done better, some worse. But we have done well commercially, which is the salient point. We've still transformed a disaster of a club into a somewhat-competent entity that is trying to get better. Everyone needs this season to end TBH Edited May 1 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Mad levels of negativity really. Sure some owners may have done as well, some might have done better, some worse. But we have done well commercially, which is the salient point. We've still transformed a disaster of a club into a somewhat-competent entity that is trying to get better. Everyone needs this season to end TBH Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ … Well Ashley didn't I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, NSG said: “Was told late last night that not everything was discussed on day 1 of a 2 day summit” Big if true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ … We were 14 years into Mike Ashley, a grubby little parasite who would do all he could to spite the fans including never seriously looking to sell the club on to someone equipped to run it. For many years it appeared there was no end in sight to that nightmare. I'd have been ecstatic at someone coming in, ripping the Sports Direct shite down and allowing us to spend our own revenue. Edited May 1 by Interpolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ … Ah sure, that's a different debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Interpolic said: We were 14 years into Mike Ashley, a grubby little parasite who would do all he could to spite the fans including never seriously looking to sell the club on to someone equipped to run it. For many years it appeared there was no end in sight to that nightmare. I'd have been ecstatic at someone coming in, ripping the Sports Direct shite down and allowing us to spend our own revenue. And actively looking to grow it rather than deliberately holding it back fro his own gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 30 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Ah sure, that's a different debate. Yep. I can totally understand the moral objections even if I don't agree with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I think the initial swell of optimism and the scale of ambition and excitement is something few owners (+ Staveley) could've stirred up. That helped us sign high-profile players like Isak & Tonali. But it's also true there was a super low base commercially. They haven't done significantly better than any competent and determined ownership would do. For the baggage they carry - I personally want more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 57 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I think the initial swell of optimism and the scale of ambition and excitement is something few owners (+ Staveley) could've stirred up. That helped us sign high-profile players like Isak & Tonali. But it's also true there was a super low base commercially. They haven't done significantly better than any competent and determined ownership would do. For the baggage they carry - I personally want more. Everyone wants more. Are we entitled to it? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, TRon said: Everyone wants more. Are we entitled to it? No. They where and are the ones coming out with the grand statements of being number one etc. Their actions don’t match their words. Personally happy to be regular top 6 and a good cup run side, but that’s not their stated ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, SUPERTOON said: They where and are the ones coming out with the grand statements of being number one etc. Their actions don’t match their words. Personally happy to be regular top 6 and a good cup run side, but that’s not their stated ambition. If you want to take everything literally, it's not 2030 yet. At the current time I think European qualification is the expectation which they publicly put out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 7 minutes ago, TRon said: If you want to take everything literally, it's not 2030 yet. At the current time I think European qualification is the expectation which they publicly put out there. We can take it literally, we have absolutely zero chance of being the number one club in the world by 2030 with how we are bring run currently. The financial gap is getting bigger and harder to bridges Again I have no issue with it personally, I am delighted at to be challenging for Europe and cups regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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