PIF and RB Sports & Media

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

The thing with Sela is - I think we all know that the deal with them is some kind of financial shenanigans, what with them being part of PIF and the fact that no one really knows what they are or what benefit they get from sponsoring us.

SURELY after three years the commercial team could have found an genuine sponsor for us that creates actual revenue for the owners?

The sela deal is just pif funding is via proxy, they wanted to spend and making us the best at that point. 

[TBG]

Barcelona went 100+ years without one but aye lets kick PIF, Starmer and Howe out because we might not start the season with one

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Rocker]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

Can you post the answers, please? 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Rocker said:

Can you post the answers, please? 

No front of shirt close

Gordon likely to go

Samu is expensive and has an ACL injury so a none starter. 

Andy Howes role hasn't changed according to Waugh. 

[JT24]

Just now, r0cafella said:

No front of shirt close

Gordon likely to go

Samu is expensive and has an ACL injury so a none starter. 

Andy Howes role hasn't changed according to Waugh. 

Finally some good news around here. 

[Rich]

7 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

This info came from the playing side.

Aye, but I heard it from my barber, who’d had the club photographer in. Far too many loose lips around.

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, Rich said:

Aye, but I heard it from my barber, who’d had the club photographer in. Far too many loose lips around.

 

Potentially throwing your barbar and the cub photographer in the shit is also pretty loose lipped to be fair 

[Rich]

12 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Potentially throwing your barbar and the cub photographer in the shit is also pretty loose lipped to be fair 

That was the joke

[TheBrownBottle]

13 hours ago, r0cafella said:

No front of shirt close

Gordon likely to go

Samu is expensive and has an ACL injury so a none starter. 

Andy Howes role hasn't changed according to Waugh. 

Plus ça change and aaal that - colour me unsurprised

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Plus ça change and aaal that - colour me unsurprised

I was slightly wrong in my original post, from what Waugh said Andy Howe now reports to the sporting director and not Nickson, so basically formalising his temporary role.

 

We are really compromised...

[TheBrownBottle]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I was slightly wrong in my original post, from what Waugh said Andy Howe now reports to the sporting director and not Nickson, so basically formalising his temporary role.

 

We are really compromised...

I am one of life’s worriers, but I am getting increasingly concerned that this summer is going to be an action replay of last summer

[r0cafella]

17 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I am one of life’s worriers, but I am getting increasingly concerned that this summer is going to be an action replay of last summer

I don't think it will be like last summer personally , our noses were well and truly blooded and I think the hubris we entered last summer with is gone. 

 

I think the question is, can the seemingly new strategy work with our current set up? If we are aiming for players with more upside are they going to get that chance? 

 

It's going to be a very revealing summer. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I don't think it will be like last summer personally , our noses were well and truly blooded and I think the hubris we entered last summer with is gone. 

 

I think the question is, can the seemingly new strategy work with our current set up? If we are aiming for players with more upside are they going to get that chance? 

 

It's going to be a very revealing summer. 

It is - my concern is that this has all been PowerPoint presentationed away.  Zero accountability for last year, no changes in personnel - the only thing which can’t happen again is wasting time on unrealistic targets, given our diminished status and lack of a budget

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It is - my concern is that this has all been PowerPoint presentationed away.  Zero accountability for last year, no changes in personnel - the only thing which can’t happen again is wasting time on unrealistic targets, given our diminished status and lack of a budget

What kind of accountability are you expecting? I think we have us a bit of a package deal honestly and the backing of Eddie is the backing of his ways including his nephew. 

 

On the surface, it appears the club is taking the approach of we did him wrong and want to make up for it. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

What kind of accountability are you expecting? I think we have us a bit of a package deal honestly and the backing of Eddie is the backing of his ways including his nephew. 

 

On the surface, it appears the club is taking the approach of we did him wrong and want to make up for it. 

Personally I’d have fired the nepo baby.  But not allowing for that, we seem critically understaffed if said nepo baby was in the position he was last summer - we’re coming up to half a decade in; where are the professional scouting and transfers team?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

What kind of accountability are you expecting? I think we have us a bit of a package deal honestly and the backing of Eddie is the backing of his ways including his nephew. 

 

On the surface, it appears the club is taking the approach of we did him wrong and want to make up for it. 

 

 

Personally I feel like PIF have took their foot off the pedal ever since the PSR hit which led to Staveley and Mehrdad leaving. Howe staying is the easier option, the club seems to be running on "steady as she goes" lines now. 

 

I doubt there will be too much upheaval unless we have a disastrous start to the campaign next time round. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Personally I’d have fired the nepo baby.  But not allowing for that, we seem critically understaffed if said nepo baby was in the position he was last summer - we’re coming up to half a decade in; where are the professional scouting and transfers team?

Id have never hired him  I learnt he followed uncle to Burnley for that short stint too so I think it's very much buy one get one free. 

 

We have plenty of scouts and obviously nickson should have been taking up the reigns in lieu of the sporting director as his job title is 'head or recruitment' as he seemingly wasn't and was responsible for outgoings indicates he was sidelined. @Minhosa has eluded to this as well  

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

Personally I feel like PIF have took their foot off the pedal ever since the PSR hit which led to Staveley and Mehrdad leaving. Howe staying is the easier option, the club seems to be running on "steady as she goes" lines now. 

 

I doubt there will be too much upheaval unless we have a disastrous start to the campaign next time round. 

They likely couldn’t have sacked Howe even if they wanted to - there’s a good chance given our league placing that paying the manager £10m to clear his desk might topple us over 

[r0cafella]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

They likely couldn’t have sacked Howe even if they wanted to - there’s a good chance given our league placing that paying the manager £10m to clear his desk might topple us over 

Nah, we could have and obviously we will be selling this summer so financially we will be fine. 

 

I think Eddie has/had credit in the bank and they've allowed this one. I doubt he gets much more rope though. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Id have never hired him  I learnt he followed uncle to Burnley for that short stint too so I think it's very much buy one get one free. 

 

We have plenty of scouts and obviously nickson should have been taking up the reigns in lieu of the sporting director as his job title is 'head or recruitment' as he seemingly wasn't and was responsible for outgoings indicates he was sidelined. @Minhosa has eluded to this as well  

@Minhosa’s post was really interesting - I can only imagine what Nickson was thinking as last summer unfurled.  It also shows that there were people at the club who knew better and were ignored. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Nah, we could have and obviously we will be selling this summer so financially we will be fine. 

 

I think Eddie has/had credit in the bank and they've allowed this one. I doubt he gets much more rope though. 

Selling in the summer doesn’t have any bearing on today tbf  

[TRon]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They likely couldn’t have sacked Howe even if they wanted to - there’s a good chance given our league placing that paying the manager £10m to clear his desk might topple us over 

 

 

Despite what people say, I don't see Howe walking away either. It's a lot of money, and not sure if him walking would mean his staff would lose their pay offs as well. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Selling in the summer doesn’t have any bearing on today tbf  

As long as it's done before 30/6 it does  

 

The Nickson stuff is really interesting isn't it? For me it was a really great demonstration of the amount of power and influence Eddie had at that moment in time. Let's be honest the instruction to essentially make Andy Howe Nicksons boss for the summer came from somewhere. 

 

It is understandable, you would think the manager and by proxy his nephew would have a good idea who would suit the system and style, it's also why I give both of them far less bail about the fuck ups of last summer than many others do. 

[Whitley mag]

I’d imagine this seasons shit show has massively impacted sponsorship negotiations, no European football and the club appears stale as fuck, with little excitement around it at the moment.