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Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

For most of Ashley's reign of terror we were getting £0 for our most valuable non-footballing asset - sponsorship in the ground.

 

Other clubs were signing deals on in-ground sponsorship worth billions of millions of quid and we were giving ours away for free.

 

Where was the Premier League related parties transaction police when we were getting financially dryfucked in our Tony Cottee ?

 

Our club shop’s income was diverted to Sports Direct.

 

In 2007 - when Ashley bought the club - reported commercial revenue was £27.6m.  In 2021 when he sold it was £20.8m.  
 

If commercials just grew with inflation they should have been £37.9m by 2021.  But football commercials exploded in the 2010s for all PL clubs.  The constant ‘they’ve grown commercials by X%’ patter just completely ignores the base they started from. 

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51 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The reality is PSR has fucked us. Now it could be that if there was no PSR, the Saudis might still not have spent gazillions to buy success. 

 

How would we even know? As far as I'm concerned they bought the club for primarily PR reasons to give themselves a global presence. Obviously a winning club gives them far more of that. 

 

All the stuff about why they have been slow on training grounds, new stadium etc is just speculative. There are probably very good reasons for all of them. 

 

And by the way, they aren't obliged to do any of them despite our fans entitled expectations to think they are. 

 

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44 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

A lot of that is the solution to PSR, not a hindrance.  They’ve done nowt because that’s how they operate - talk big and deliver small. 

 

Who's they? Staveley? And is the most successful season in 100 years delivering small?

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48 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Ashley shrank our commercial revenue from 2008, not even considering escalation.  You could have put anyone in after Ashley and the same thing would’ve happened. 

 

That's just not true, though, is it?

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Just now, Dr Venkman said:

 

Who's they? Staveley? And is the most successful season in 100 years delivering small?

It’s not the most successful season in 100 years, no idea what the basis is for that tbh

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s not the most successful season in 100 years, no idea what the basis is for that tbh

Alright then, 70 years. Same point.

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Just now, Dr Venkman said:

 

That's just not true, though, is it?

Yes, it is - they couldn’t have shrunk them any further.  The man was openly removing entire revenue streams from commercials and sticking it into his other business.  
 

So perhaps if someone else ran it the same way, sure.  

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Yes, it is - they couldn’t have shrunk them any further.  The man was openly removing entire revenue streams from commercials and sticking it into his other business.  
 

So perhaps if someone else ran it the same way, sure.  

 

It's not, it's speculation. It might have stayed the same. It might have gotten 5% better, 10% better, etc.

 

It's not a truth.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

 

It's not, it's speculation. It might have stayed the same. It might have gotten 5% better, 10% better, etc.

 

It's not a truth.

Sure, that is fair enough.  But I do think it’s incredibly unlikely that even the most half-arsed and incompetent of owners wouldn’t have increased it, provided they didn’t take it off the books.  The club always had huge commercial potential - that’s down to the size of the supporter base, not a sovereign wealth fund 

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33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Even in Premier League football - being slow is a killer. 
 

We won’t get there with PIF unless they change how they operate the club.  

 

 

It's very unlikey that we will get there at all tbh, the rules have been put in place by existing superclubs across Europe to ensure they won't. 

 

Even entertaining such lofty ideals for a club outside the elite is only happening because of who owns us. 

 

I repeat: demanding any more is nothing more than misplaced entitlement. 

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If no psr to worry about I think we would have seen some big transfers each season similar to the Saudi league transfers. Now of course they might have tailed off after a few seasons like the Saudi league has as well. But I think the first couple of windows would have been like when chelsea got bought over. 

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15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Sure, that is fair enough.  But I do think it’s incredibly unlikely that even the most half-arsed and incompetent of owners wouldn’t have increased it, provided they didn’t take it off the books.  The club always had huge commercial potential - that’s down to the size of the supporter base, not a sovereign wealth fund 

 

Mad levels of negativity really. Sure some owners may have done as well, some might have done better, some worse. But we have done well commercially, which is the salient point. We've still transformed a disaster of a club into a somewhat-competent entity that is trying to get better.

 

Everyone needs this season to end TBH :lol: 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Mad levels of negativity really. Sure some owners may have done as well, some might have done better, some worse. But we have done well commercially, which is the salient point. We've still transformed a disaster of a club into a somewhat-competent entity that is trying to get better.

 

Everyone needs this season to end TBH :lol: 

 

 

 

Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ …

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12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ …

 

 

Well Ashley didn't I suppose. :lol: 

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1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Most wouldn’t have had their ‘baggage’ …

 

We were 14 years into Mike Ashley, a grubby little parasite who would do all he could to spite the fans including never seriously looking to sell the club on to someone equipped to run it. For many years it appeared there was no end in sight to that nightmare. I'd have been ecstatic at someone coming in, ripping the Sports Direct shite down and allowing us to spend our own revenue. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

 

We were 14 years into Mike Ashley, a grubby little parasite who would do all he could to spite the fans including never seriously looking to sell the club on to someone equipped to run it. For many years it appeared there was no end in sight to that nightmare. I'd have been ecstatic at someone coming in, ripping the Sports Direct shite down and allowing us to spend our own revenue. 

 

 

 

And actively looking to grow it rather than deliberately holding it back fro his own gain.

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30 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Ah sure, that's a different debate. 

 

 

Yep. I can totally understand the moral objections even if I don't agree with them. 

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I think the initial swell of optimism and the scale of ambition and excitement is something few owners (+ Staveley) could've stirred up.

 

That helped us sign high-profile players like Isak & Tonali.

 

But it's also true there was a super low base commercially. They haven't done significantly better than any competent and determined ownership would do. 

 

For the baggage they carry - I personally want more.

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57 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think the initial swell of optimism and the scale of ambition and excitement is something few owners (+ Staveley) could've stirred up.

 

That helped us sign high-profile players like Isak & Tonali.

 

But it's also true there was a super low base commercially. They haven't done significantly better than any competent and determined ownership would do. 

 

For the baggage they carry - I personally want more.

 

 

Everyone wants more. Are we entitled to it? No. 

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3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Everyone wants more. Are we entitled to it? No. 

They where and are the ones coming out with the grand statements of being number one etc. Their actions don’t match their words. Personally happy to be regular top 6 and a good cup run side, but that’s not their stated ambition.

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Just now, SUPERTOON said:

They where and are the ones coming out with the grand statements of being number one etc. Their actions don’t match their words. Personally happy to be regular top 6 and a good cup run side, but that’s not their stated ambition.

 

 

If you want to take everything literally, it's not 2030 yet. At the current time I think European qualification is the expectation which they publicly put out there. 

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7 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

If you want to take everything literally, it's not 2030 yet. At the current time I think European qualification is the expectation which they publicly put out there. 

We can take it literally, we have absolutely zero chance of being the number one club in the world by 2030 with how we are bring run currently. The financial gap is getting bigger and harder to bridges Again I have no issue with it personally, I am delighted at to be challenging for Europe and cups regularly. 

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