kingxlnc Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Agreed, there’s zero track record to go off. Could be brilliant, but there’s nowt to back that up. We’ve never felt like we’ve taken the idea of being actually elite seriously. That’s not true Ashworth and Mitchell were genuinely elite hires they just didn’t work out Eales was good on paper as was Hopkinson. Suds is highly rated too Some of the attempted purchases do signal attempts to be elite Tonali Trippier Bruno Isak Guehi Olise Szoboslai Ekitike etc theyre trying even though recently they’ve been failing more than previously then the signings of youngsters has probably been the best ever Edited May 21 by kingxlnc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 51 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: That’s not true Ashworth and Mitchell were genuinely elite hires they just didn’t work out Eales was good on paper as was Hopkinson. Suds is highly rated too Some of the attempted purchases do signal attempts to be elite Tonali Trippier Bruno Isak Guehi Olise Szoboslai Ekitike etc theyre trying even though recently they’ve been failing more than previously then the signings of youngsters has probably been the best ever Eales had zero top level experience in a major league. Hopkinson has zero experience at his level, zero experience in English football and no practical experience in football generally worth writing home about (doing commercials for Real Madrid is about as difficult as picking up a phone). Mitchell definitely wasn’t an elite hire - Ashworth was highly rated, though it increasingly looks like as often is the case in football the wrong man was taking credit for the achievements of others. I wasn’t referring to players in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 there’s not that many big name directors of football but Mitchell was widely known especially as the guy who signed Son and everyone was overjoyed at his arrival for what it signalled - he had even turned down Man U Eales had worked at WBA and Spurs but even more importantly he had built out Atlanta as a competitive institution from the ground up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) Quote Newcastle United have recruited a rising Silicon Valley star as they accelerate plans to build a data department they hope can rival the Premier League’s best. The i Paper can reveal that Kaustubh Deshpande, a 26-year-old AI specialist who has joined from top US tech firm Scale AI, began work at the club’s Benton training base last week. Deshpande’s route into the Premier League is not the usual path travelled – he graduated from UCLA with a masters in applied statistics before going to work in Silicon Valley – but there is satisfaction at the club that they have been able to attract a rising tech star to the North East. Newcastle fought hard to get a work visa for Deshpande. The i Paper understands he is set to be joined by a second data specialist early in the summer as part of a new “vision” for the club. Sporting director Ross Wilson, who was part of a Southampton set-up that pioneered the use of data a decade ago with their “black box” that continuously monitored potential targets, has worked with technical director Sudarshan Gopaladesikan on the strategy. It has the enthusiastic support of majority owners PIF, with data having been part of conversations at the recent Matfen Hall “off-site” summit. Club sources have stressed that the appointments should be viewed as part of a plan to “build foundations” around the use of data at Newcastle rather than a short-term fix ahead of the next summer transfer window. It comes alongside significant investment in scouting networks with Newcastle recently creating new roles to monitor youth markets in areas like the Balkans, Croatia and Southern Europe. The Magpies, it is being stressed, will continue to lean heavily on having expert eyes on every potential target. Deshpande’s job will focus on recruitment but he is not a scout. He will not be finding the next Malick Thiaw or Sandro Tonali for Eddie Howe but he will help build systems and software that could give Newcastle a cutting edge when it comes to evaluating potential targets. Both new hires are about giving Newcastle deeper knowledge of the transfer market and crunching the numbers in a way that makes the almost endless amount of data out there more accessible. AI, for example, can be harnessed to accurately predict performance, injury risk or tactical fit – but it requires real experts to make that actually work in practice. The i Paper understands that the club have already developed complex algorithms that quickly match players from around the world with their unique style of play but are keen to go much further. Deshpande would be well-placed to help Newcastle develop their own ChatGPT-style chatbot that would allow the football and scouting department to ask quick questions of complex data. Want a Bundesliga left-back under 24 who averages four progressive carries per game? Imagine a tool that crunches reams of data to create that shortlist in seconds. That is the sort of thing that could be coming to Newcastle in the near future. And sources insist that is just the tip of a very deep iceberg. His arrival appears to be a sign of the direction the club is moving in. Just this week Newcastle announced a £30m investment in the existing training ground, stadium and pitch – and that will be matched by recruitment efforts centred around overhauling the squad. There was a changing of the guard feel at St James’ Park last weekend as Kieran Trippier and Emil Krafth moved on and Howe admitted there may be a “freshness” about the squad that starts next season. But behind the scenes, new roles are being appointed and existing departments are being reshuffled. As The i Paper reported earlier this month, former loans manager Shola Ameobi is changing roles and there will be a review of the department by Wilson. Howe appeared to confirm on Sunday that the club’s long-serving head of medical Dr Paul Catterson is departing Newcastle at the end of the campaign too – seemingly for a new job with the Premier League. Edited May 21 by JT24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunk Moreland Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, JT24 said: No doubt going to train the new model on posts from this forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 8 minutes ago, JT24 said: That kid’s coming for Andy Howe’s job, prepare yourself JT24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just now, Bunk Moreland said: No doubt going to train the new model on posts from this forum I left out the best part of the article (I stopped reading) Quote The transfers it could lead to The i Paper gave Analytics FC – a data-driven sports consultancy used by leading Premier League clubs and across Europe – a commission to go and find under-the-radar talent who are affordable and fit their needs through the spine of the team. Strikers Mohamed Kader Meite (Al-Hilal) “He’s raw but profiles superbly as a quick, high energy striker with great off ball movement. Registration rules or squad bloat might mean both parties would be open it,” says Alex Stewart, Fisnik Asllani (Hoffenheim) Stewart admits he is a ‘left-field’ shout but has “a high shot volume, is tall striker with superb defensive output and clever creativity”. Promise David (Union Saint Gilloise) Stewart says he is “unproven but has the raw tools – and the sign-off of USG’s excellent scouting department – to prosper”. Midfielders Nicolo Fagioli (Fiorentina) We asked for Tonali replacements if he goes – Analytics FC reckon he could be an upgrade, offering more in terms of passing. Elliot Anderson (Nottingham Forest) “The gold standard” is what Stewart calls him. The £100m-rated signing would surely only sign for Newcastle, though, if they sold bit. Angelo Stiller (Stuttgart) Not as defensively strong as Tonali but would give Newcastle a different profile. “He gives more ball progression from a screening six role, and can carry through a press,” Stewart explains. James Garner (Everton) “Stability, work-rate and a decent dead ball ability,” says Stewart. Recently capped for England. Goalkeepers Diant Ramaj (Borussia Dortmund) Was on loan at struggling Heidenheim but has impressed. “Long distribution is excellent and he’s a great one v one ‘keeper,” says Stewart. Kayne van Oevelen (FC Volendam) “A 6ft 7ins Dutch keeper with excellent passing skills, he looks like a decent prospect,” says Stewart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, gbandit said: That kid’s coming for Andy Howe’s job, prepare yourself JT24 I’m not worried. Andy will rise above, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo2 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, JT24 said: I left out the best part of the article (I stopped reading) The first player on that list moved to Saudi in Jan for 40m. 4 games 1 goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 With the football season ending, World Cup coming up, we could really do with some content on Suds - one year on, how is he settling in. Mainly for the data and xGeeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawGoesToPieces Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Pepijn Lijnders leaving Man City with Guardiola, id be on the blower to get him here as 2nd Assistant, fresh voice amongst the coaching staff, highly rated and worked with Klopp & Pep at Liverpool/man City but also worked at PSV, Porto and has experience as manager of Nijmegen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said: Pepijn Lijnders leaving Man City with Guardiola, id be on the blower to get him here as 2nd Assistant, fresh voice amongst the coaching staff, highly rated and worked with Klopp & Pep at Liverpool/man City but also worked at PSV, Porto and has experience as manager of Nijmegen. Cannot imagine a world where Eddie replaces Tindall as his No2. Edited May 22 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawGoesToPieces Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said: Cannot imagine a world where Eddie replaces Tindall as his No2. No reason why he can't have more than one though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said: No reason why he can't have more than one though A number 3 to replace Jones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Charlies said: Do we never consider going for the best in the business from Bournemouth and Brighton ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Ben said: Do we never consider going for the best in the business from Bournemouth and Brighton ? Who says they’re the best in the business? Genuine question. chelsea have taken most of Brighton’s and they’ve been a disaster. all the clamour for Richard Hughes from Bournemouth and he has made a right pigs ear of last summer. the magic at those clubs is in the data model, not the individuals, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearljam10 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Do we ever consider anyone outside the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, lovejoy said: Who says they’re the best in the business? Genuine question. chelsea have taken most of Brighton’s and they’ve been a disaster. all the clamour for Richard Hughes from Bournemouth and he has made a right pigs ear of last summer. the magic at those clubs is in the data model, not the individuals, imo. Maybe we get them AND the Commadore 64 full of data, the fact Bournemouth lost an entire defence for a huge profit and then improved their league position is a work of genius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 minutes ago, Pearljam10 said: Do we ever consider anyone outside the UK That ceo fella is from Skegness isn’t he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Ben said: Maybe we get them AND the Commadore 64 full of data, the fact Bournemouth lost an entire defence for a huge profit and then improved their league position is a work of genius It is, but it seems to happen irrespective of the individuals is my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 8 minutes ago, Pearljam10 said: Do we ever consider anyone outside the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Fak said: I hope my man suds has some filthy spreadsheets ready to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, lovejoy said: It is, but it seems to happen irrespective of the individuals is my point and the manager responsible for it all is leaving. People ignore that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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