Lotus Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 16:50, STM said: Still love the bloke. Achieved more in his tenure than the last 20 years of anyone else. Cup final, Cup runs, CL football, big scalps, record breaking and so on... No matter what happens this year, he has my back next season. There's no other option. Anyone who has delusions of Naglesman etc will be sorely disappointed when they fuck off because we can't sign half a dozen high tier players each window or more likely they show no loyalty when a so-called bigger fish ask for their service. I want stability. I want medium/long term thinking. Sacking Eddie would just make us another shitefest of a club like Spurs, Man United or Chelsea, with no long term plan or strategy. My main concern is whether the infrastructure of the club is being grown. Are we maximising commercially? Are we producing a high standard of young players? A new training ground? Stadium expansion? These are the things which will shape our future, not whether we have a rough patch in the league. Holding our nerve will pay dividends in the future. Expand Long term thinking is the only way I think. Your last paragraph is bang on too. I just want the coach who can grow the team. It’ll be great if we already have the right person in place, obvs. I just haven’t the nous to know who’s right if I’m honest. I knew Pardew was full of shit because he and I have a lot in common like that so i could tell straight away. But I don’t know good from great. I suspect it’s a lot to do with being at the right club at the right time. When you’re very emotionally invested in a sporting project it’s all too easy to get caught up in the smaller picture. The most reward is winning on match day not whether a training centre upgrade is in the pipeline or some new junior wunderskout is about to join. But as you say, those very key elements will have a far bigger say than another bad 90 mins in South London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 (edited) Side thought - did our psychology start going to shit around the same time we hired a club psychologist? Botman's assuredness, Trippier losing his head, Schar's confidence leaning into arrogance, Longstaff dissolving into a mewling baby, Eddie seeming to lose some self-awareness etc. Pretty sure it's a coincidence, but it just struck me as ironic. Edited March 12, 2024 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 18:06, 80 said: Side thought - did our psychology start going to shit around the same time we hired a club psychologist? Botman's assuredness, Trippier losing his head, Schar's confidence leaning into arrogance, Longstaff dissolving into a mewling baby, Eddie seeming to lose some self-awareness etc. Pretty sure it's a coincidence, but it just struck me. Expand He was an Ashworth appointment so if there is any truth in that, he won’t be there much longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 18:07, SUPERTOON said: He was an Ashworth appointment so if there is any truth in that, he won’t be there much longer. Expand Yeah, nearly mentioned that Wasn't meant as a jab at Eddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 16:50, STM said: Still love the bloke. Achieved more in his tenure than the last 20 years of anyone else. Cup final, Cup runs, CL football, big scalps, record breaking and so on... No matter what happens this year, he has my back next season. There's no other option. Anyone who has delusions of Naglesman etc will be sorely disappointed when they fuck off because we can't sign half a dozen high tier players each window or more likely they show no loyalty when a so-called bigger fish ask for their service. I want stability. I want medium/long term thinking. Sacking Eddie would just make us another shitefest of a club like Spurs, Man United or Chelsea, with no long term plan or strategy. My main concern is whether the infrastructure of the club is being grown. Are we maximising commercially? Are we producing a high standard of young players? A new training ground? Stadium expansion? These are the things which will shape our future, not whether we have a rough patch in the league. Holding our nerve will pay dividends in the future. Expand Yep, you sum it up perfectly for me. It’s football, there will be ups and downs. We’re still a way off the ‘big 6’ in so many other ways, and not just our squad depth. I did think we might’ve heard something more concrete by now on a new training ground etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 Hats off to those that still have the stomach to come in here after every loss and try to speak rationally. It's such a painfully tiresome exercise man. My God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 18:06, 80 said: Side thought - did our psychology start going to shit around the same time we hired a club psychologist? Botman's assuredness, Trippier losing his head, Schar's confidence leaning into arrogance, Longstaff dissolving into a mewling baby, Eddie seeming to lose some self-awareness etc. Pretty sure it's a coincidence, but it just struck me as ironic. Expand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 It is starting - tbf I do agree with some of what he says - especially around the body language of the payers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 18:14, NUFC_Chris said: Yep, you sum it up perfectly for me. It’s football, there will be ups and downs. We’re still a way off the ‘big 6’ in so many other ways, and not just our squad depth. I did think we might’ve heard something more concrete by now on a new training ground etc. Expand I'm expecting a big summer in terms of the club moving some things forward. If we get to September and we haven't announced a training shirt sponsor and other corporate partners, and we haven't gotten an update on the stadium and/or training ground planning then I'm going to have more questions for our owners and corporate leaders than our manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 19:42, duo said: It is starting - tbf I do agree with some of what he says - especially around the body language of the payers Expand Started watching, but it's just a load of bluster without any real analysis or context. Not sure why I expected anything different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Displayname Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 (edited) On 12/03/2024 at 19:42, duo said: It is starting - tbf I do agree with some of what he says - especially around the body language of the payers Expand Dont agree with his lack of trust in Eddie and that he can turn it around, but agree with pretty much everything else. I dont care about the results, its the performances the last 3 months now that really bugs me. Its not about the players because the same players looked much better in the past. They just look completely shot of confidence and have no idea what they are doing, which you cant blame any other than the manager for. The buck stops with him. I dont doubt Eddies qualities, but im also concerned that he works to hard and is prone to burn out. I really do believe/hope that he will turn it around next season after a summer break and a less hectic schedule being out of Europe. Edited March 12, 2024 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 So glad I settled with beat the mackems, and fuck the rest of the season off mentality when I did. He has this season whether we lose every game or not, just makes the decision very easy come the end for the club. I am surprised though he hasn't turned it around yet. Some moments like villa and wolves, but moments, not any kind of form or structure. He's not learned any lessons either, which means he's too stubborn or doesn't know how to change. The elite managers adapt and sometimes reinvent themselves. I thought Eddie was going to be the new breed of that. This season has shown his limitations, and it's shit as you want him to do well and get back on it, but time is running out. Get humped out the cup at the weekend, and there really isn't much to look forward to, just go through the motions, and hope no more players get injured. Not the inspiring March to the top we all were experiencing this time last season. Something happened around the end of Nov, early December. Not the CL. That was tough, but expected before a ball was kicked. Something behind the scenes. Some strong rumours around that time, I wonder if he feels let down by a few and with the club not backing him in the winter window, feels a bit isolated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 21:25, Dokko said: So glad I settled with beat the mackems, and fuck the rest of the season off mentality when I did. He has this season whether we lose every game or not, just makes the decision very easy come the end for the club. I am surprised though he hasn't turned it around yet. Some moments like villa and wolves, but moments, not any kind of form or structure. He's not learned any lessons either, which means he's too stubborn or doesn't know how to change. The elite managers adapt and sometimes reinvent themselves. I thought Eddie was going to be the new breed of that. This season has shown his limitations, and it's shit as you want him to do well and get back on it, but time is running out. Get humped out the cup at the weekend, and there really isn't much to look forward to, just go through the motions, and hope no more players get injured. Not the inspiring March to the top we all were experiencing this time last season. Something happened around the end of Nov, early December. Not the CL. That was tough, but expected before a ball was kicked. Something behind the scenes. Some strong rumours around that time, I wonder if he feels let down by a few and with the club not backing him in the winter window, feels a bit isolated. Expand What strong rumours ? And I can’t see how he would feel let down with the amout he’s already been backed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 21:26, SUPERTOON said: What strong rumours ? And I can’t see how he would feel let down with the amout he’s already been backed. Expand Think he's referring to a bit of a power struggle between Howe and Ashworth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 I took as being the hotel chat, to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 I know he could have and maybe should have changed the formation, but he has changed the tactics, multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 21:26, SUPERTOON said: What strong rumours ? And I can’t see how he would feel let down with the amout he’s already been backed. Expand The hotel rumours and the power struggle with Ashworth. He's been given players (hall), not necessarily backed. This winter window we needed recruits for the sake of the players physical health, the season and for him. I don't believe nothing could have been done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 17:48, JJ7 said: Because we appointed an awful replacement. Things were starting to go wrong the season before and we should have got a new manager that summer from a position of strength, with Bobby moving upstairs. Ended up making a total mess of it. Expand The exact scenario I hope the club would avoid this time around. They came out and backed Eddie for the long term a few weeks ago, they either have to stick to that or if they now have concerns act at the end of the season. none of this 5-10 games next season bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 The one big thing I really disagree with Eddie on is that we played well. We were awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 22:11, duo said: The one big thing I really disagree with Eddie on is that we played well. We were awful. Expand Usually he's fairly honest with his assessment after the game so bit weird. Hopefully told the players the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 22:00, Colos Short and Curlies said: The exact scenario I hope the club would avoid this time around. They came out and backed Eddie for the long term a few weeks ago, they either have to stick to that or if they now have concerns act at the end of the season. none of this 5-10 games next season bollocks Expand If we see signs of improvement sure(doesnt have to be top 4 level), but if the current performances continue into the next season.. What the owners say in public means nothing tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 21:29, 80 said: I took as being the hotel chat, to be honest. Expand There must have been something in the rumours then, I can't see some minor twitter chat being that detrimental to our form if there wasnt some truth to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 What happened to our shithousery ? We seem to have a very soft center this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 12/03/2024 at 21:54, Dokko said: The hotel rumours and the power struggle with Ashworth. He's been given players (hall), not necessarily backed. This winter window we needed recruits for the sake of the players physical health, the season and for him. I don't believe nothing could have been done. Expand Can someone fill me in on the 'hotel rumors' or 'hotel chat' thing? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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