Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[Stifler]

He won’t be proactive in subs.

We can’t defend, and haven’t done for 2 years now. He won’t bring in a defensive coach.

We are fucking shit at set pieces, and he won’t bring in a set piece coach.

 

If a player does come to the club, he’s got to wait ages until they get a game. Hall and Livramento last season when Burn and Trippier were giving away goals game after game. Osula this season when he had both Isak, and Wilson unavailable.

 

Our press has gone. We can’t break teams down. Simple passes are misplaced.

We aren’t even a shadow of the team he had us as a couple of years ago, and nothing so far indicates that he’s going turn it around.

[Newintoon]

1 minute ago, Roha said:

The problem isn't that it has been a few poor results/performances. We have been so awful away for a long time. We still have the same issues that we had 3 years ago. Its not just about this year. Its about the results regardless. He got to have his "injuries" excuse last year. This year he has nothing. The system isnt working. The players are for some reason only motivating themselves to play top 6. There is a change needed.

3 years ago when we made the champions league from the fucking relegation zone the season before aye? Injuries excuse we were decimated man 7th was an alright season overall, 

This year so far has been inconsistent but couple good league results right back in the fight for Europe and could be in a semi final don’t be so quick to throw ur toys  

[Collage]

Was he not backed in the window or was he part of that problem? Still a big question.

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, astraguy said:

ffs here they come again,Sir Bobby all over again go to bed fellas

Not a great analogy, given that Robson should’ve been sacked a lot earlier than he eventually was, and the failure to sack him when we should have damaged us badly.

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, Displayname said:

He shouldnt be given a substantial amount of money in January tbh. Not because I dont trust him, but because we need to have money for new signings available to entice a top place manager to come if Eddie doesnt fix what is clearly broken.

I actually don’t trust him. Elanga coming in on the right wing for 40 million. No thanks. 

[Mahoneys Tache]

2 minutes ago, astraguy said:

ffs here they come again,Sir Bobby all over again go to bed fellas

Agree about SBR but at what point does it become untenable? And it’s dependent on the owners, not the punters. They will have expectations and if he’s not meeting those expectations he’ll be bulleted. Simple as that and whether the punters like it or not. We’re owned by businessmen , not football people and that’s how it works now.  
SBR was a good tactician who could adapt and modify his approach to a game as it was happening. This all seems a bit one dimensional, which is how Keegan got found out too. Great motivator, poor coach. 

[HaydnNUFC]

5 minutes ago, astraguy said:

ffs here they come again,Sir Bobby all over again go to bed fellas

 

Sacking Robson wasn't the issue, doing it 5 games in and replacing him with Souness was.

[Keegans Export]

10 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

Which manager is available?

Honestly, I have no idea.

 

But I also had no idea who Thomas Frank was until he turned up at Brentford and he's just embarrassed us in that second half. I still can't pronounce the Brighton managers name and he seems to be doing alright. 

[Danh1]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Not a great analogy, given that Robson should’ve been sacked a lot earlier than he eventually was, and the failure to sack him when we should have damaged us badly.

And the fact he was replaced by Souness. And the fact it was 20 fucking years ago. 

[JonBez comesock]

2 minutes ago, Stifler said:

He won’t be proactive in subs.

We can’t defend, and haven’t done for 2 years now. He won’t bring in a defensive coach.

We are fucking shit at set pieces, and he won’t bring in a set piece coach.

 

If a player does come to the club, he’s got to wait ages until they get a game. Hall and Livramento last season when Burn and Trippier were giving away goals game after game. Osula this season when he had both Isak, and Wilson unavailable.

 

Our press has gone. We can’t break teams down. Simple passes are misplaced.

We aren’t even a shadow of the team he had us as a couple of years ago, and nothing so far indicates that he’s going turn it around.

Simple passes misplaced has nothing to do with Howe

[Aiston]

Our easiest start to the season in a very long time and we are languishing in 12th with a poor goal difference and we've played well maybe 3 games.

 

With literally nothing looking like things will change.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Aiston

[Roha]

Just now, Newintoon said:

3 years ago when we made the champions league from the fucking relegation zone the season before aye? Injuries excuse we were decimated man 7th was an alright season overall, 

This year so far has been inconsistent but couple good league results right back in the fight for Europe and could be in a semi final don’t be so quick to throw ur toys  

I see that you want to clean over the issues due to his lucky CL position. Im sorry but I dont share that sentiment. Even if we managed to luck ourselves to a 4th, it doesn't mean there wasn't any issues. The big hole between the midfield and defensive line has been there ever since, never fixed. Tonali cant perform in our team due to the weird flat 3 that just doesn't work. Yet in Italy in a double pivot he looks amazing. We have no bite, and at some point its not down to just the players. Its down to the system, they get asked and tasked to do a job and this is how it looks.

[Lush Vlad]

2 minutes ago, toontownman said:

 

If he wasn't already I think Mitchell and his team will be firmly in the driving seat for deciding who comes in. Realistically the club and Mitchells role is setting a consistent style and vision throughout the club so whomever comes in as a player or manager they shouldn't need to adjust and play X bought in january shouldn't be a Howe player but a Newcastle player that will also fit the new manager.

I suppose I don’t have faith that he will turn it around nor do I think he’d be the man for the rebuild if we sold a big name. 
 

That second half I’ve seen too many times this season. Last season he had genuine reasons and I backed him all the way. I did this season up until the last 10-15 mins there.
 

I had deja vu watching that half. It’s just the same old shit and I don’t see how he can suddenly change our fortunes round when he clearly isn’t learning or adapting.
 

Even if we win our next 3. We have some tough games after that. So it doesn’t mean we’re back on track all of a sudden. 
 

I’m usually wrong with my football opinions (and betting). So I hope I’m wrong. I’m just not sure what giving him the season and another transfer window achieves. 
 

Feel proper sad about it all, TBH. Love Howe and what he’s done. But I just feel like he’s taken us as far as he can. 

[LionOfGosforth]

Love this man. From the minute he came in the door and I saw the first training session and heard him say "You're standing still, that's no good. You have to move", I loved him. Such a simple thing for him to say but it felt like a sea change in mentality immediately. And it was. I don't know if the players have stopped playing for him or not, it certainly wasn't the case 4 days ago. But if they have mentally checked out and lack motivation and focus against ALL teams, then the results suffer and it becomes a short road for the manager. Gutted today.

[Bunk Moreland]

1 minute ago, Keegans Export said:

Honestly, I have no idea.

 

But I also had no idea who Thomas Frank was until he turned up at Brentford and he's just embarrassed us in that second half. I still can't pronounce the Brighton managers name and he seems to be doing alright. 

 

Exactly, part of Mitchell's job will be to have a number of suitable candidates identified. They don't need to be free either, they might be in jobs but enticed by the opportunity presented here

[Pilko]

6 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Forrest  and Bournemouth should not be above us in the table. All of them apart from Bournemouth with a game in hand. It's not good enough. What can you actually blame it on? 

 

We can't have 2 seasons in a row out of Europe if you want to be one of the big teams. You can't just have 1 UCL season and then dip. People are no longer taking us seriously and it is very worrying. 

 

We've played all of those and our record is W1, D1, L3. 5 points from 5 games. That goes some way to explaining it.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Mahoneys Tache said:

Agree about SBR but at what point does it become untenable? And it’s dependent on the owners, not the punters. They will have expectations and if he’s not meeting those expectations he’ll be bulleted. Simple as that and whether the punters like it or not. We’re owned by businessmen , not football people and that’s how it works now.  
SBR was a good tactician who could adapt and modify his approach to a game as it was happening. This all seems a bit one dimensional, which is how Keegan got found out too. Great motivator, poor coach. 

Our shocking away form cost Robson his job - two wins in his final full season was fucking woeful.  As was his continued rigid selection of the same players again and again regardless of performance or form. 

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Sacking Robson wasn't the issue, doing it 5 games in and replacing him with Souness was.

Or course it was, making himself look a fool even mentioning it as a comparison 

[J7]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Sacking Robson wasn't the issue, doing it 5 games in and replacing him with Souness was.

Exactly. We weren’t far off Liverpool around that time. They replaced Houllier at the right time and brought in an ambitious replacement. We totally fucked it, made a mess off it, did it at the wrong time and brought in a truly horrendous replacement. ‘Sacking Bobby’, wasn’t the issue. 

[Joe1984]

7 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Forrest  and Bournemouth should not be above us in the table. All of them apart from Bournemouth with a game in hand. It's not good enough. What can you actually blame it on? 

 

We can't have 2 seasons in a row out of Europe if you want to be one of the big teams. You can't just have 1 UCL season and then dip. People are no longer taking us seriously and it is very worrying. 

Could be worse. We could be Leicester. They won the league and ended up relegated.

[jackflap]

Feels almost surreal saying it but it's looking like time to move on, there's very little positive to say about this season so far to give you hope things will improve. No point in moving on just for the sake of it though but I'd hope the club is being proactive behind the scenes with identifying possible successors.

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

Gone down hill since he made Bruno captain IMO, was an unnecessary thing to do, and he isn't a leader. 

 

Wonder if that's maybe disgruntled the players a bit?

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Roha said:

I see that you want to clean over the issues due to his lucky CL position. Im sorry but I dont share that sentiment. Even if we managed to luck ourselves to a 4th, it doesn't mean there wasn't any issues. The big hole between the midfield and defensive line has been there ever since, never fixed. Tonali cant perform in our team due to the weird flat 3 that just doesn't work. Yet in Italy in a double pivot he looks amazing. We have no bite, and at some point its not down to just the players. Its down to the system, they get asked and tasked to do a job and this is how it looks.

It wasn’t luck to finish 4th, we were a good side and Howe provided some exceptional management and coaching.  We’re a long way short at the moment including Howe but we can’t be rewriting history. 

[Ronson333]

Just now, Joe1984 said:

Could be worse. We could be Leicester. They won the league and ended up relegated.

I’d take that 

[Mahoneys Tache]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Our shocking away form cost Robson his job - two wins in his final full season was fucking woeful.  As was his continued rigid selection of the same players again and again regardless of performance or form. 

And yet he finished 5th the season before he was sacked and it was a dodgy result against a poor wolves side that cost us a place in the top four if I recall properly. Shepherd reacted to the punters, and didn’t think it through. 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Mahoneys Tache