Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, ILCAML said:

Allegri, Zidane, Xavi are all literally free and MUCH better and more proven managers.

 

I get the attachment to Eddie, I like him as well, nice lad, did an excellent job since he was hired, but let's reign it in a little bit.

 

If he's not getting sacked it's not because there aren't better options out there.

Can we tempt those in existing circumstances?

 

Also - off the top of my head haven't Zidane nd Xavi only managed Real Madrid and Barca respectively? (Cannot be arsed to look as watching Inter)

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Heron

[TRon]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

The Everton and Brighton games are the only games that we have looked the better team in performance wise.

 

Even in those we noticeably ran out of ideas.

 

 

I still think we used up all our goals in that 6-1 drubbing of Spurs. Every shot we hit was flying in.

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Overall we still have gotten more points than we have deserved tbh.

I think we're around par. You wouldn't bat an eyelid if we'd got 4 from our first 5 and 8 from our last 4.

 

Even then it's more just that I'm saying to Haydn I think our performances are improving.

[Holmesy]

9 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Isak, Bruno & Gordon have let him down massively this season. To have all 3 misfiring at the same time is strange though, and you'd think he'd be able to sort at least one out. Joelinton doesn't look the same player pre injury, Willock and Pope the same and Barnes cannot start a game, is at best a sub against tired legs. Tonali's return has been meh whilst the RW turn outs (Murphy, Almiron & Gordon) have been dire. Throw in Trippier destroying his career and marriage for a bit of classless fanny, 2 young FB's who need protecting, whilst the slowest CB pairing in the league being the only fit options, you can comfortably say, the project is on its arse. I'm not sure how much is his fault, but he doesn't help himself at times, and eventually the manager will take the bullet for it all. That's football.

 

 

You can’t argue with any of this really. The project needs fresh impetus.
However, a manager’s job is to get the best out of what he has, and the very best build effective teams that are stronger than the sum of their parts. They grind out results when things aren’t in their favour.

 

Regardless of the players available to him, form, player’s physical attributes etc. he plays the same formation in the same way and has no plan B - something that has been levelled at him for over a year. That bit is nobody’s fault but his, and I think it will be his undoing unfortunately.
 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

After getting those barely deserved wins/points early season we've regressed to the mean and our league position is a reflection of what we've served up so far. This squad is far better than what it's showing this season.

 

That can be put down to them instead of the manager of course, but when it's 18 months of away games and 11 games in total this season of quite poor showings on a regular basis, I don't think it can be. We don't have any identity in playstyle anymore. It's almost November. 

 

 

 

The point isn't about regression to mean though, it's that you were saying our performances aren't improving and I'm saying I think it's pretty clear that they are, despite the results. 

[Displayname]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

The point isn't about regression to mean though, it's that you were saying our performances aren't improving and I'm saying I think it's pretty clear that they are, despite the results. 

They have improved, but its from looking like a relegation side to a mid-table one. Lets hope he can take the next step.

[Jonas]

The only team expected to be in and around us that's really doing any better results or performance wise is Villa. Man United are a point worse off and playing no better, Spurs a point better off maybe playing slightly better - but so they should be, Brighton shit the bed against a bottom of the league team and were lucky the week before against us, West Ham are doing worse

[Joelinton7]

15 minutes ago, Heron said:

You could say the same about any potential impending replacement though. That would all be based on what they HAVE DONE and not even here.

 

I don't really see that many obvious and available options who would a) massively improve us given other contraints and b) want to be here at the moment and fonally c) I don't think what he has done for us warrants him being replaced.

 

 

 

I’m not sure I want him gone or not. We’re in limbo at the minute. It’s just so mediocre. Just looks like the Howe train is running out of coal. We can’t be “atmosphere FC” forever.

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

After getting those barely deserved wins/points early season we've regressed to the mean and our league position is a reflection of what we've served up so far. This squad is far better than what it's showing this season.

 

That can be put down to them instead of the manager of course, but when it's 18 months of away games and 11 games in total this season of quite poor showings on a regular basis, I don't think it can be. We don't have any identity in playstyle anymore. It's almost November. 

 

 

 

I’d say our current identity was stale, weak and disjointed

 

We’ve completely failed to build on the stellar 2022/23 

 

Last season we could look at the injury list and explain the drop off in performances 

 

This season it’s a mix of poor / PSR restricted transfer activity that’s left us with a stale, underpowered squad. And if I was Yasir I’d ask serious questions of the effectiveness of Howe’s week to week approach, as he’s the one picking the side and setting them up. And whatever it is he’s doing, it’s not working 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[HaydnNUFC]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The point isn't about regression to mean though, it's that you were saying our performances aren't improving and I'm saying I think it's pretty clear that they are, despite the results. 

 

We have slightly improved particularly against Brighton, but in all of these last 3 we've looked like we've ran out ideas in the seconf halves, particuarly the last 30 minutes. Brighton and Chelsea didn't need to be great to beat us and a poor Everton didn't need to be great with a makeshift back 4 to keep a clean sheet against us.

 

Its hardly been uplifting in mood like Leeds away or Everton at home in early 2022 were or Wolves at home and Forest away were in 2023.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[Ben]

Looks like the cup game has turned into a huge test for Howe.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Joelinton7 said:

I’m not sure I want him gone or not. We’re in limbo at the minute. It’s just so mediocre. Just looks like the Howe train is running out of coal. We can’t be “atmosphere FC” forever.

Pardon? Atmosphere FC?

[ILCAML]

8 minutes ago, Heron said:

Can we tempt those in existing circumstances?

 

Also - off the top of my head haven't Zidane nd Xavi only managed Real Madrid and Barca respectively? (Cannot be arsed to look as watching Inter)

 

 

 

Allegri and Xavi for sure. Zidane would be much harder IMO.

 

Xavi managed in Qatar as well, but essentially yeah. But I honestly don't see how that matters. It's much harder to manager at those clubs due to pressure, expectations and egos than it is mid-table, no matter the difference in squad quality.

[Joelinton7]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Pardon? Atmosphere FC?

Many of our home victories have been massively helped by the atmosphere at SJP. Players, coaches and board members have all alluded to this. Atmosphere has been non existent at times this season. Brighton was a perfect example. 

[Heron]

1 minute ago, ILCAML said:

Allegri and Xavi for sure. Zidane would be much harder IMO.

 

Xavi managed in Qatar as well, but essentially yeah. But I honestly don't see how that matters. It's much harder to manager at those clubs due to pressure, expectations and egos than it is mid-table, no matter the difference in squad quality.

I'll be honest - I don't know much about all 3. But Zidane and Xavi don't strike me as available or perhaps better options.

 

Allegri seems the most likely best of the three (if any) if we were to switch.

[J7]

Sick of hearing ‘it’s getting better’ and it’s all going to click. Click to what? Are we going to get the solid defence of two years ago? The free scoring team of last season? The team who were smashing teams from the off? 
 

We look dodgy as fuck at the back. The midfield three don’t look like they know their roles. The set pieces are as bad as I’ve ever seen. And we must be the tamest team in the first 20/25mins of games in the league. 
 

I don’t want him to go, but I find myself just hoping for an improvement without any confidence of it coming or any idea what is going to change. We don’t seem to be especially good at anything at the moment. 

[Kid Icarus]

6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

We have slightly improved particularly against Brighton, but in all of these last 3 we've looked like we've ran out ideas in the seconf halves, particuarly the last 30 minutes. Brighton and Chelsea didn't need to be great to beat us and a poor Everton didn't need to be great with a makeshift back 4 to keep a clean sheet against us.

 

Its hardly been uplifting in mood like Leeds away or Everton at home in early 2022 were or Wolves at home and Forest away were in 2023.

 

Brighton relied on us missing two one on ones and a header that should have been buried, Everton relied on us missing two massive one on ones and a fucking penalty , Chelsea got away with a red card and Isak not being clinical enough when through. I just don't see it. Results, 100%, but not performances.

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Joelinton7 said:

Many of our home victories have been massively helped by the atmosphere at SJP. Players, coaches and board members have all alluded to this. Atmosphere has been non existent at times this season. Brighton was a perfect example. 

Ah okay.

 

As fans it should always be Atmosphere FC, for me but I agree. The club should be aiming to give the fans something to sing about.

 

Surely, if the club are saying how much the atmosphere helps them we should.all remain positive and behind them though, right...

[huss9]

25 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Isak, Bruno & Gordon have let him down massively this season. To have all 3 misfiring at the same time is strange though, and you'd think he'd be able to sort at least one out. Joelinton doesn't look the same player pre injury, Willock and Pope the same and Barnes cannot start a game, is at best a sub against tired legs. Tonali's return has been meh whilst the RW turn outs (Murphy, Almiron & Gordon) have been dire. Throw in Trippier destroying his career and marriage for a bit of classless fanny, 2 young FB's who need protecting, whilst the slowest CB pairing in the league being the only fit options, you can comfortably say, the project is on its arse. I'm not sure how much is his fault, but he doesn't help himself at times, and eventually the manager will take the bullet for it all. That's football.

 

 

absolutely right.

blame shared between eddie , the players, and the owners.

still dont believe why we havent had a little more creative accounting upstairs like chelsea and citeh.

 

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Brighton relied on us missing two one on ones and a header that should have been buried, Everton relied on us missing two massive one on ones and a fucking penalty , Chelsea got away with a red card and Isak not being clinical enough when through. I just don't see it. Results, 100%, but not performances.

 

 

 

 

Spot on.

[HaydnNUFC]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Brighton relied on us missing two one on ones and a header that should have been buried, Everton relied on us missing two massive one on ones and a fucking penalty , Chelsea got away with a red card and Isak not being clinical enough when through. I just don't see it. Results, 100%, but not performances.

 

 

 

 

 

I said we did improve against Brighton and we should've won the game, but that the second half, particularly the last half hour was poor. We didn't have a shot on target in over an hour's worth of football after the penalty miss at Everton. Still haven't watched that game back yet as I was there without the best view, but it felt like we weren't going to score in the last 25 minutes, and we didn't. 

 

Red card for Chelsea? When? If its for the Bruno thing no way he reaches that ball. Howay. That performance today was patchy at absolute best. Hardly enough to make me think we'll be good in our next away game, as the bulk of the sample size suggests otherwise. 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[Joelinton7]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

Ah okay.

 

As fans it should always be Atmosphere FC, for me but I agree. The club should be aiming to give the fans something to sing about.

 

Surely, if the club are saying how much the atmosphere helps them we should.all remain positive and behind them though, right...

I do think the lack of variety, pace, intensity and guile in our play has massively contributed to the quiet atmosphere and also not least the basically non-existent summer window. I think many people are unsure where our ambitions now lie, and what we’re capable of. When the on field stuff is lacklustre then the off field missteps become magnified. We’re just lost atm. I STILL don’t fully know what PIF’s intentions are for instance.

[bobbydazzla]

We should just fuck PSR adherence off and go out and spend whatever we want in Jan

Fuck sticking to the rules

 

Through their dodgy behind the scenes scheming and their snidey protectionism rules the cartel cunts have got us just where they want us right now

 

Sell the Gallowgate Pigeon’s image rights to Saudia Airlines for a billion quid and go on a spending spree

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[brummie]

Without having watched you a huge amount this season, nine games into the season is absolutely nothing, like.

[alexf]

This set piece thing needs addressing. But embarrassing when you see most other teams are getting alot of joy (see the Arsenal Liverpool game)

 

Was telling before the game that stat flashed up of 50 corners 0 goals.